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Home Speaker Question
Posted on 4/5/20 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 4/5/20 at 2:36 pm
I posted a thread a while back and have narrowed it down for what I want to do. The wiring is done and the brackets are hung. My living room has 5 ceiling speakers and I’m going with Klipsch CDT 5800 CII which is a 8 inch speaker and one in wall 10 inch Klipsch sub.
The question I have is will the CDT 5800 work as a center channel speaker? I’m going with something like this so I’m not wanting to have any speakers on the mantel. 12 foot ceilings with TV above the wooden mantel. The 5800’s are also adjustable so I chose them because I put the rear speakers a little further back to give some volume in the kitchen.
Keep this in mind this is just for my Living room and normal tv show and some moving watching. I will have another setup upstairs that will have 3 wall, 4 ceiling, and 2 subs.
The question I have is will the CDT 5800 work as a center channel speaker? I’m going with something like this so I’m not wanting to have any speakers on the mantel. 12 foot ceilings with TV above the wooden mantel. The 5800’s are also adjustable so I chose them because I put the rear speakers a little further back to give some volume in the kitchen.
Keep this in mind this is just for my Living room and normal tv show and some moving watching. I will have another setup upstairs that will have 3 wall, 4 ceiling, and 2 subs.
This post was edited on 4/5/20 at 2:47 pm
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 5:11 am to Rize
Any speaker will work...a marketed center speaker is only shaped differently than a front or rear due to aesthetics.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 7:40 am to Marco Esquandolas
Thanks!
Posted on 4/9/20 at 5:19 pm to Marco Esquandolas
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Any speaker will work
This is not necessarily true. You want your center and two fronts to be from the same line so that they're timbre matched (assuming two of those in ceiling speakers are also 5800).
Also, you should toss another hundred bucks in and get a better sub than a Klipsch.
This post was edited on 4/9/20 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 4/10/20 at 6:43 pm to Rize
Is that a white naked lady in that picture above the mantel? Maybe modern art style? Just asking
Posted on 4/10/20 at 10:59 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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This is not necessarily true. You want your center and two fronts to be from the same line so that they're timbre matched
...no. Timbre matching??...and I’ve heard some outrageous things over my 40 years entrenched in this hobby, but this one is new!
Where are you reading this crap?
Posted on 4/11/20 at 11:37 am to Marco Esquandolas
Pretty much any home theater site.
LINK
If you're starting from scratch, build it right.
quote:
The “timbre” of a speaker, that is, its sonic balance, is important for the “front three.” The left-front, center, and right-front speakers should all have the same sonic balance. This can be critical for voice reproduction; if an actor is talking off-screen to the left or right (with the voice coming from the appropriate speaker) and then walks on-screen with the voice coming from the center speaker, you really want it to sound like the same person. Ideally, the three should be the same speaker (your center channel speaker can be smaller if it has the same timbre and reproduces all the sound above 80 Hz with its bass directed to the left & right or properly placed subwoofer.
LINK
If you're starting from scratch, build it right.
Posted on 4/11/20 at 11:49 am to Marco Esquandolas
Not just him it's something I've read as well. And in more than one place and forum.
Just a quick search... here's one and another from several. Maybe so, maybe not. I do know that when going to surround sound my Maggies did not mix well with the new Klipsch center and sides. They sounded horrible together no matter what I tried, like out of phase bad, it was to the ear immediately bad. And not just I don't care for this.
Assumed the electrostat's and horns fit that mixed-matched description. However I'll defer to you being just a semi-serious hi-fi buff (and old guy with still pretty good ears).
Just a quick search... here's one and another from several. Maybe so, maybe not. I do know that when going to surround sound my Maggies did not mix well with the new Klipsch center and sides. They sounded horrible together no matter what I tried, like out of phase bad, it was to the ear immediately bad. And not just I don't care for this.
Assumed the electrostat's and horns fit that mixed-matched description. However I'll defer to you being just a semi-serious hi-fi buff (and old guy with still pretty good ears).
Posted on 4/12/20 at 1:20 am to Chucktown_Badger
ChiTown, I’m not trying to discredit your opinion at all, I am just giving a reason for my statement to the OP...
The info you linked is from Ohm-Walsh’s (a speaker manufacturer—a pretty good one with a long time, cult like following at that!) web page—so of course they are going to recommend their center channel (nothing wrong with that either). Most will use timbre matching (something impossible to quantify) as a reason for keeping it all in the family.
The response I gave the OP of “it doesn’t matter—any speaker will do” is for the average Joe looking to put together a relatively easy, best-buy type system (let’s say under $5000). Those types of systems are hardly going to reveal audible timbre differences among similar priced center channel cone drivers. They will probably have other deficiencies that are more glaring (low end roll off, crossover to mains/sub, placement, under powered, timing) before vocal timbre mismatch of a center channel is noticed.
I’d venture say that 4 out of 5 of the best 5.1+ multichannel systems I’ve sat in front of don’t have the same center manufacturer as the mains. In fact, many high end speaker builders of large floor-standers don’t have matching center channels...their customers will either seek one of the few really large center channels available, or will have custom built centers—and every one that I’ve sat in front of has integrated beautifully.
It would be very challenging for the average listener to discern differences in timbre between center/mains at that level of multichannel system if the speakers are sized properly with each other, are using the same driver technology (cones, stats, horns), are timed correctly, powered correctly, and spl level matched correctly....which is the reason for my statement that, in a system/set-up like the OP was asking about, “any
speaker really will do”...
The post just above this is, however, a great example of differing driver/speaker technologies not meshing...at all...horns mixed with planar—those 2 go together like Mississippi State and National Championships.
A horn is typically one of the most efficient drivers available (97-117+ dB efficient!), while planers are usually swimming in the pond with the least efficient speakers made (80-86 dB...4-ohm nominal)—opposite ends of the spectrum. Maggies demand a flat-out assload of power—at least 150-200w (high current amps work best) just to wake up, while a horn needs around 1/10th that power to sing! (I have Maggie 1.7i planers—they are the only speakers I've owned that caused my 740w mono blocks amps, weighing in at 192 lbs./pair, to go into thermal protection mode!!—they are hungry!).
Then there is the speed of the sound coming off the planar panel versus leaving the throat of a horn, and the crossover slopes, and the low frequency drop off of the panel, and dispersion differences, and, and...
The info you linked is from Ohm-Walsh’s (a speaker manufacturer—a pretty good one with a long time, cult like following at that!) web page—so of course they are going to recommend their center channel (nothing wrong with that either). Most will use timbre matching (something impossible to quantify) as a reason for keeping it all in the family.
The response I gave the OP of “it doesn’t matter—any speaker will do” is for the average Joe looking to put together a relatively easy, best-buy type system (let’s say under $5000). Those types of systems are hardly going to reveal audible timbre differences among similar priced center channel cone drivers. They will probably have other deficiencies that are more glaring (low end roll off, crossover to mains/sub, placement, under powered, timing) before vocal timbre mismatch of a center channel is noticed.
I’d venture say that 4 out of 5 of the best 5.1+ multichannel systems I’ve sat in front of don’t have the same center manufacturer as the mains. In fact, many high end speaker builders of large floor-standers don’t have matching center channels...their customers will either seek one of the few really large center channels available, or will have custom built centers—and every one that I’ve sat in front of has integrated beautifully.
It would be very challenging for the average listener to discern differences in timbre between center/mains at that level of multichannel system if the speakers are sized properly with each other, are using the same driver technology (cones, stats, horns), are timed correctly, powered correctly, and spl level matched correctly....which is the reason for my statement that, in a system/set-up like the OP was asking about, “any
speaker really will do”...
The post just above this is, however, a great example of differing driver/speaker technologies not meshing...at all...horns mixed with planar—those 2 go together like Mississippi State and National Championships.
A horn is typically one of the most efficient drivers available (97-117+ dB efficient!), while planers are usually swimming in the pond with the least efficient speakers made (80-86 dB...4-ohm nominal)—opposite ends of the spectrum. Maggies demand a flat-out assload of power—at least 150-200w (high current amps work best) just to wake up, while a horn needs around 1/10th that power to sing! (I have Maggie 1.7i planers—they are the only speakers I've owned that caused my 740w mono blocks amps, weighing in at 192 lbs./pair, to go into thermal protection mode!!—they are hungry!).
Then there is the speed of the sound coming off the planar panel versus leaving the throat of a horn, and the crossover slopes, and the low frequency drop off of the panel, and dispersion differences, and, and...
Posted on 4/12/20 at 1:46 am to Marco Esquandolas
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those 2 go together like Mississippi State and National Championships
Posted on 4/14/20 at 1:58 am to Rize
I have those exact speakers in a 7/1 system in my living room. They will work fine, just be sure to set them as small speakers in your receiver or you may blow a couple of them like I did. Lol. I paired them with a SVS pb16 ultra and it's impressive.
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