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Posted on 11/17/20 at 6:11 am to
Posted by BornCritic
Member since Nov 2020
696 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 6:11 am to
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Yes wired cams are harder to install. Their benefits are worth it. With power over Ethernet (POE) cams you only have to run 1 wire.


I have slow rural cell-based internet (10 down at best / 2 to 3 up). Is wired my only real option?
Posted by DJNOS1978
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
783 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 6:35 am to
I get some super cheap ones from YI cameras. I have 4 of them. I get alerts when there is movement and they record all the time. I do have the indoor ones that I put outside but they are under a covering so they wont' get ruined. Had them for two years.
Now I'm sure China is watching my driveway but ah well. lol
Posted by seawolf06
NH
Member since Oct 2007
8159 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 6:36 am to
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Get the Blink camera system


Amazon will have good deals on a whole system for and probably the extra cameras, too, starting this weekend. I have had mine for over a year and no issues except batteries.
This post was edited on 11/17/20 at 6:40 am
Posted by seawolf06
NH
Member since Oct 2007
8159 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 6:54 am to
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Eufy is great and no cost per month



Do you have the doorbell?

I don't want to have to pay subscription to access recorded video.
Posted by mchias1
Member since Dec 2009
904 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 7:38 am to
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I don't want to have to pay subscription to access recorded video.


Amcrest doorbell here. no sub fees and works with almost any local NVR if you have one.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28997 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 8:42 am to
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I have slow rural cell-based internet (10 down at best / 2 to 3 up). Is wired my only real option?
Quick rundown on the options:

Wired vs. wireless describes how the camera connects to your network. Your connection to the internet does not matter in this decision. You don't even need internet connectivity to make this decision.

That said, many of the wireless cameras on the market do record straight to "the cloud", in which case your internet connection does matter. 2-3mbps is on the slow side, but it should be enough to upload cam video, but probably only from 1 or 2 cams at once. If there is more "action" going on, it's possible you'll miss some of it. I don't know your situation, but this may be sufficient. The other option is to record video to a local recorder.

Next, cameras are powered differently. Some plug into the wall, some are powered via the network cable (PoE, Power over Ethernet), and some are battery powered. Batteries obviously need changing/charging periodically depending on how much action the camera sees, and the other two options depend on your setup and how easy/hard it is to run cable or find a power socket.

In any case, and especially where the internet connection is slow and/or spotty, I would recommend recording locally and with PoE cameras. Battery powered cameras, in addition to requiring regular attention, are slower to respond to motion. They have to hibernate to conserve power, so it takes a few seconds for them to wake up and start recording. This causes some motion to be cut off or missed entirely. Then when it comes to PoE (which sends power and data over one cable) vs. outlet-powered (which are typically wifi cameras), PoE is always better as long as it's possible to run the cable where you need it.


TL;DR: PoE cameras connected to a local NVR is the best option. You never have to worry about batteries, you never miss an event, and you can still get all the benefits of the "cloud" options like motion notifications. The downside is installation is more involved and costly. Next best is plug-in wifi cameras recording to local NVR, installation is cheaper and easier. And finally battery powered cams are the worst as far as actually recording motion and video quality, but they are the easiest to get set up.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28997 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 8:45 am to
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Amcrest doorbell here. no sub fees and works with almost any local NVR if you have one.
I'm a fan of Amcrest. I have a couple of their bullets and a turret. The video quality is pretty good, and for the price they are an excellent value.
Posted by BornCritic
Member since Nov 2020
696 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 10:08 am to
Greatly appreciate your response. Thanks.
Posted by BornCritic
Member since Nov 2020
696 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 3:40 pm to
Any opinions on Reolink?

Also, what are your thoughts on the prepackaged NVRs vs using something like a Synology NAS?

Would you install Zoneminder on any or all of the above?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28997 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 4:23 pm to
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Any opinions on Reolink?
I have one outside my house and it's fine, can't really complain for the price. It freezes for 2-3 seconds when it switches day/night, but not a dealbreaker for me.

I have installed 4 of them at another location and 2 of them died after about a year. But to be fair they were installed very near the highest point inside a metal building with no vent, so I'm pretty certain that temps reached or exceeded the max operating temp of ~130. And 2 of them are still alive after 3-4 years, so take that for what it's worth.

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Also, what are your thoughts on the prepackaged NVRs vs using something like a Synology NAS?

Would you install Zoneminder on any or all of the above?
I say use whatever works, is easiest for you, and what fits your budget. There are so many different NVRs that I wouldn't know where to begin with a recommendation other than to say look for features you might want like free remote access via app, person/vehicle "smart" notifications, things like that. Also never tried the synology stuff but I'm sure it's fine.

Personally I will probably always use Zoneminder for my own systems. It's far from the easiest to set up, it may not be the best as far as resource usage, and it's definitely not the prettiest thing...

But it just suits me and the way I do things. Being open source is my top concern, it's extremely configurable, and it is capable of things that no other software can do (at least none that I'm aware of).
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
28947 posts
Posted on 12/3/20 at 9:12 am to
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Any opinions on Reolink?


These are what I've got as well. Had them for about 6 months, no real complaints. The footage is good in the daytime (My driveway cam is about 70 feet from the street and I cannot read license plates with the 5mp cameras) and OK at night. Their night vison is a bit limited, but that has to do with the limited IR LEDs that come with the cams. So if I had to do it over, I'd add a couple of IR illuminators around the house particularly in the back yard. This is something I still may do.

I initially bought a 4 cam NVR system and add a few more cams. I'll add that the NVR kit comes with 60' of (cheap but sufficient) cat5 cable with each of the cams. When you buy the cams individually, they do not supply the cat5 cable. So if you think you are going to go that route and are going to need 6 or 8 cams down the road, go ahead and spend the money upfront to save a few $$'s.

For the most part, and once I figured out how to work the cable under the eves and into the attic, the install was relatively easy. They layout of my attic is a pain, but that has nothing to do with the cams them self.

Their motion detection is good and like many of these cams maybe too good. I have lots of "event" video of trees blowing in the wind.

So if I had to do it over, I'd go with the same setup, but a bigger NVR and more Cams. Which leads me into the next thing you should think about.

All of these cams have a limited field of view (slightly less than 90 deg). You should go on google maps/earth and download a photo of your house. Then in your favorite drawing program take that approximate field of view and start laying out where the cams will go and what they will see. This will give you an idea of how big or small a system you need. Right now we've got 6 cams + a ring that gives us pretty good coverage. There are a couple of dead spots in the back/side yard that I don't have covered but I've already got runners out to those spots and will fill them in in the spring when it warms up.

Just a few things to think about.

Good luck,
L
This post was edited on 12/3/20 at 9:52 am
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28997 posts
Posted on 12/3/20 at 10:05 am to
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I'd add a couple of IR illuminators around the house particularly in the back yard. This is something I still may do.
So for those with no experience with outdoor cameras, bugs LOVE the IR lights. And that means spiders LOVE building webs in front of them. So if your day/night camera has built in IR LEDs (which is basically all of them), then you WILL get bug motion all night long, and spiderwebs light up very brightly and block the view. There are two basic fixes:

1. Clean/maintain them regularly. Like weekly. Buy a pole duster so you can do it without a ladder.

2. Install independent IR flood lamps to light up the area and disable the cam's built in IR lights. This way bugs and spiderwebs aren't reflected as if you're looking at the sun. Then you can just clean the cams every few months probably.

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All of these cams have a limited field of view (slightly less than 90 deg).
There are many wide angle ones that are >90 on up to 180 "fisheye/superwide" ones. And keep in mind that a lot of them are measured diagonally, so a 90 degree camera will probably see a little bit less than 90 degrees horizontally.

It can be tempting to use wide angle cameras all the way around because you can see everything with fewer cameras, but a single 180 degree camera covering your entire back yard will be a *LOT* less effective than two 90 degree ones. Off the top two 90 degree cameras give you twice as many pixels, but it's worse than that. The 180 degree FOV isn't just horizontal, but vertical as well, so you have half as many pixels covering twice as much area making it 4X worse, but it's worse than that. The outer edges (probably 50+% of the entire FOV) of a fisheye cam are distorted to hell, so now we're up to at least 8X worse performance vs. two 90 degree cams. And it's probably worse than that.

Wide and super-wide cameras have their applications, but you have to think about what your objective is. We are mostly interested in people, and there are basically 3 rough categories: detection, recognition, and identification.

Detection is essentially just "yep, that's a person". Maybe you can tell what they're doing as well, but not always. The majority of what a wide angle cam sees is just detection area, so you can tell that someone did something.

Recognition is where you can tell who the person is because you are familiar with them.

Identification is when a completely unknown person can be identified/matched with an image that you have captured.


These boundaries are obviously not well-defined because there are lots of factors in play, but the moral of the story is a standard view camera will actually have a larger identification area than a wide angle camera, and maybe even a larger recognition area. So that's the trade-off for covering a wider detection area.

Posted by slapahoe
USA
Member since Sep 2009
7469 posts
Posted on 12/3/20 at 10:14 am to
i have a 4 POE reolink 5mp for about a month. great cameras with ability to add 4 more.
Posted by jsk020
Nola
Member since Jan 2013
1736 posts
Posted on 12/3/20 at 10:39 am to
quote:

Do you have the doorbell?

I don't want to have to pay subscription to access recorded video.


the doorbell is free as well per month
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
37051 posts
Posted on 12/3/20 at 11:55 am to
Had Arlo

No wires
Can put anywhere
Voice and sound enabled
Clear picture
Nice app
Rechargeable batteries

Got tired of pulling out the ladder to recharge batteries every few months.



Just got Ring spotlight cams

Hard-wired
Crystal clear picture
Nice app
Voice and sound enabled
Pairs with my doorbell
Lights are bright and LED

I will always have Ring from now on. Love them!
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