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Check my wiring plan - Advice?
Posted on 4/18/20 at 12:06 am
Posted on 4/18/20 at 12:06 am
Hi all,
Meeting with electrician this next week to finalize lighting and data wiring plan for our new construction.
I am planning a media center cabinet in a closet in my basement, and running all cat6a to there. I am running cat6a to all TV locations, and all separate data locations in the house, basically one per room, and 3 locations for ceiling AP's in closets spaced across the house, and one outside for the back yard.
All wall mount TV locations will have cat6a, then a run to a base location for additional HDMI and cat6a for DVD or other device. I'm going to have at least one additional data cable in each room, including bedrooms. Also two ceiling mount in closets for AP's, as well as one out back for the back yard.
I have a detached garage with cat6a ran to camera locations,and an AP as well. Going to have 2 cables ran from the house out there so I have spare.
Does it make sense to run everything back to one media center? I'm planning for security cameras,and TV's and AP's.
Advice on what MESH/AP system to use for whole house coverage? Thinking about UniFi for the wireless. Security system recommendation? I'm expecting to have 10 or so cameras.
My smart home plans are mainly a smart thermostat, smart garage door openers, probably some smart plugs, and lights. Planning to do some can lights with color changing ability interior and exterior.
I assume if i have good wireless coverage I can do about anything else i didn't wire for.
Anything I am missing that I should consider? TIA.
Edited to add: Currently have DISH,but would like to move to streaming only. Will have ATT Fiber but do not want DTV. I have subs now for HULU basic, Disney plus,and Prime. Will have to find a live TV option,so open to suggestions on that as well. Would want local channels plus sports, and a few others, history, TBS, food network,etc.
Meeting with electrician this next week to finalize lighting and data wiring plan for our new construction.
I am planning a media center cabinet in a closet in my basement, and running all cat6a to there. I am running cat6a to all TV locations, and all separate data locations in the house, basically one per room, and 3 locations for ceiling AP's in closets spaced across the house, and one outside for the back yard.
All wall mount TV locations will have cat6a, then a run to a base location for additional HDMI and cat6a for DVD or other device. I'm going to have at least one additional data cable in each room, including bedrooms. Also two ceiling mount in closets for AP's, as well as one out back for the back yard.
I have a detached garage with cat6a ran to camera locations,and an AP as well. Going to have 2 cables ran from the house out there so I have spare.
Does it make sense to run everything back to one media center? I'm planning for security cameras,and TV's and AP's.
Advice on what MESH/AP system to use for whole house coverage? Thinking about UniFi for the wireless. Security system recommendation? I'm expecting to have 10 or so cameras.
My smart home plans are mainly a smart thermostat, smart garage door openers, probably some smart plugs, and lights. Planning to do some can lights with color changing ability interior and exterior.
I assume if i have good wireless coverage I can do about anything else i didn't wire for.
Anything I am missing that I should consider? TIA.
Edited to add: Currently have DISH,but would like to move to streaming only. Will have ATT Fiber but do not want DTV. I have subs now for HULU basic, Disney plus,and Prime. Will have to find a live TV option,so open to suggestions on that as well. Would want local channels plus sports, and a few others, history, TBS, food network,etc.
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 12:43 am
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Posted on 4/18/20 at 7:47 am to kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 4/18/20 at 8:16 am to kywildcatfanone
There is zero need for CAT6A in the foreseeable future. It's a waste of money for what you want to do and it's a pain in the arse to terminate because of the added thickness and the shielding.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 8:48 am to VABuckeye
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There is zero need for CAT6A in the foreseeable future.
Totally agree. There is not a service out there that can handle this. Cat 5e can handle gigabit, might as well save your money.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 8:59 am to VABuckeye
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There is zero need for CAT6A in the foreseeable future. It's a waste of money
I second this. Especially in a residential environment. We still run straight cat6 in all of our schools for cameras and typical data drops. The only thing we are running 6a to is APs and even then the switches don't support anything over 1 gig so its still a waste.
ETA: you sure as heck don't want your typical residential electrician terminating Cat6a or even cat6
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 9:04 am
Posted on 4/18/20 at 12:41 pm to kywildcatfanone
You received feeback from three people who know more than a little bit about category cable. Personally, I'd run regular CAT6 cable if you want to ensure a 10 gig hard-wired network in the future. That is, of course, if you purchase the correct hardware and the person doing the terminations knows what they are doing.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 1:04 pm to VABuckeye
I’m going to agree with the others. Don’t cheap out on the network hardware or that will be your downfall. Go Unifi for wireless. You can even do Unifi for your switches to have them all on the same controller.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 2:17 pm to kywildcatfanone
quote:As this board's resident Ma Bell tech, please get us a good, straight shot to where you want the modem/router.
Will have ATT Fiber
Ideally, you'd leave us a pull string into a separate wall box. Our GPON/fiber setup involves pulling a fiber optic line from outside, through the attic, and then likely into your media center. We would terminate the fiber there, connect it to a conversion device (called an ONT) which is approximately the dimensions of a standard wall outlet but which protrudes from the wall about 1.5 inches.
From that device, we would either backfeed service to elsewhere in the house via Cat6 or we would co-locate the modem/gateway and just connect the two devices together using a patchcord.
Some of the houses built to our specs include flex tubing from the attic to the home's exterior (near the meter panel) and conduit or flex tubing down an interior wall to a wall box.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 3:33 pm to FCP
Thanks for the responses. I did check and it is cat6, not 6a. Still though, feed everything to one media box and out from there?
I will ask what the connection to the exterior of the house looks like and make sure there is a pipe between there and the media center.
I will ask what the connection to the exterior of the house looks like and make sure there is a pipe between there and the media center.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 3:58 pm to kywildcatfanone
It’s always good to have one home run. Troubleshooting is so much easier. Insist on a cabling schedule and proper labeling of everything. Not just the wires. Faceplates, switches, devices. If you need to know what a cabling schedule should look like just ask.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 7:14 pm to VABuckeye
What do you mean that it’s good to have one home run? (I know what a home run is in these terms)
Posted on 4/18/20 at 10:25 pm to kywildcatfanone
quote:Yeah, that seems to be the best approach--especially since you're doing it pre-build. There are some 16x36 metal boxes you can get which basically fit between the studs and let you bring all the wires together there. DSLD has started using these with 2 conduits feeding up into the attic. If you do end up using one of these boxes, it's a good idea to have a power outlet at the bottom. That way, you could place a switch or whatever inside the panel to transmit data to the rest of the prem.
Still though, feed everything to one media box and out from there?
As far as homeruns are concerned, I would suggest two (2) each coax and cat6 runs from the outside into your media center. That would give you likely all the connectivity you could ever need.
AFAIK, all the cable/satellite companies (except maybe Dish Network) are now using a single coax to feed a splitter in the attic. With 2 coax home runs, you would be covered in the (unlikely) event you ever got satellite TV and maybe Cox/Charter/Spectrum hsia. The 2 cat6 runs would allow you the ability to send data back to the outside--say maybe you build a shed or something separate from the house.
Oh, and one final note: "Slack is your friend." There are few feelings worse for a tech than opening up a box to find everything cut back to the bare minimum. Help a brother get home before midnight--leave some damn slack!
Posted on 4/19/20 at 9:20 am to Mr.Perfect
Everything back to one location. Network, tv distribution, audio distribution. There needs to be some ventilation because devices create heat.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 3:20 pm to FCP
quote:
resident Ma Bell tech,
So, the fiber from the street, does it end at the demark point on the side of the home?
Talked to electrician today, his plan is to run 4 Cat6 wires from media center box to the location where the fiber terminates at the ONT. But not in conduit.
I think the plan is fiber underground to the outer wall of the house to termination box, then inside and mount the ONT, then have 4 cat 6 lines to take the ONT to the media center which will be across the house. Will that work?
Should I run a conduit from the media center to where I think the fiber will come into the house? How would I find out where it will come into the house?
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 4/25/20 at 5:44 pm to kywildcatfanone
You're only going to use one of the CAT6. Generally when we prewire a new home we run two CAT6 and two RG6 to the demarc.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:29 pm to VABuckeye
quote:
You're only going to use one of the CAT6. Generally when we prewire a new home we run two CAT6 and two RG6 to the demarc.
Perfect, thanks. He mentioned 4 of each, I wasn't going to complain I think. I just wasn't sure if it had to be fiber from the ONT to the media center. If the ONT is just on the inside of the home, and cat6 can carry everything to the media center and share out from there, I'm good with what he is doing.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 9:33 pm to kywildcatfanone
I’d run a couple of RG6 in case you ever have need for a cable or satellite connection. It’s cheap.
Posted on 4/26/20 at 12:37 am to VABuckeye
quote:
I’d run a couple of RG6 in case you ever have need for a cable or satellite connection. It’s cheap.
Yes, will confirm that. Thanks again!
Posted on 4/26/20 at 12:59 am to kywildcatfanone
quote:
Does it make sense to run everything back to one media center? I'm planning for security cameras,and TV's and AP's.
Just to play devil’s advocate, do you really want to go down into your basement every time your modem/router needs resetting?
Posted on 4/26/20 at 11:46 am to kywildcatfanone
Also an RG6 run for an HD antenna in case you want to cut the cord. My antenna is mounted in my attic. It feeds a Fire TV Recast, which is plugged into my network switch. That acts as a DVR and allows me to watch live TV on all my devices.
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