re: cancelled cable TV, got a nastygram from comcast a week later

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do you pay less to get a cap limit?

comcast really is the worst

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No. You can either pay more to have it removed, or in most cases they don't give you an unlimited option at all.

Reduced regulation to allow lower cost of entry and increased competition is the only NN that I'm interested in.

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Your stupid is showing. Never go full retard.

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Right back at ya.

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Do those companies pay the ATTs anything or do they just force their customers to take all the cost by paying their ISPs?

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Yes, they pay for bandwidth just like anyone else who accesses the internet does. No, They don't pay local ISPs. That would be ridiculous. We, the users, pay our local ISPs for internet access. The big internet companies pay internet backbone companies like Level3 for bandwidth and access to the internet. This is how the internet has worked, grown, and thrived since the beginning. I mean, what is the value of the internet without the Netflix's and Google's? They're the ones that make having internet access desirable, not ATT, Verizon, or Comcast.

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The google's, and others can put skin in the game helping to support the infrastructure instead of being a bunch of leaches whining about the ones who allowed them to succeed. And trying to take money that they saved by having no cost from ISPs to then try to put up their own cables, on the ISPs property, isn't putting skin in the game to me.

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Netflix/Google/Youtube/etc. offers their CDN (Content Delivery Network) servers FOR FREE to local ISPs to cut down on the bandwidth usage and help the ISPs be able to deliver content quickly and efficiently. There are ISPs out there that REFUSE to install the free to them equipment to make Netflix, etc. look worse to the end user.

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The latest Netflix-Verizon tiff started last week, when Verizon sent Netflix a cease and desist letter in which Verizon threatened to sue Netflix over new error messages blaming Verizon, as well as AT&T, for streaming issues experienced by customers. Netflix General Counsel David Hyman wrote in a letter Monday that Netflix would not abide by Verizon’s cease and desist, arguing that slow loading speeds are indeed caused by Verizon’s overcrowded network.

But Hyman also added that Verizon had specifically refused to solve the problem by failing to let Netflix install its magic box on Verizon’s network — for free. Netflix’s so-called “Open Connect” box would cache Netflix content so that Internet users can stream Netflix videos quickly and smoothly, all at no cost to the ISP — it could even help ISPs save a few bucks.

The problem, Netflix says, is that Verizon, along with the country’s biggest ISPs — AT&T, Time Warner Cable and Comcast — have all refused to take Netflix up on its offer. Some smaller ISPs, like Cablevision and Suddenlink, have utilized Open Connect, which has been available since 2012. Both Cablevision and Suddenlink now provide among the fastest streaming speeds for Netflix video in the U.S., beating out other cable broadband providers, like Comcast and Time Warner Cable, and clocking in 30% faster than Verizon’s FiOS service and nearly twice as fast as AT&T’s U-Verse service, both fiber networks that should smoke cable competition.

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Specifically, it’s about who should be responsible for paying to deliver content over the Internet. The big ISPs say that web companies like Netflix should pay ISPs to deliver their content, especially since Netflix alone now accounts for roughly 30% of total evening Internet traffic in the U.S., according to network research company Sandvine. The major ISPs argue that when they move data for major content delivery networks — companies that move data around the Internet but don’t interact directly with Internet users — they get paid a fee for delivering that content. Netflix’s Open Connect box does basically the same thing as those delivery networks, so the ISPs say they should get paid for that, too.

Netflix says that’s just not how the Internet works. Internet subscribers already pay Verizon and the other ISPs for access to the Internet — demanding payment from web content companies on top of that amounts to shameless double dipping, says Ken Florance, Netflix’s VP of content delivery. Advocates for an open Internet say demands like this create a worrisome precedent, wherein ISPs could easily become “gatekeepers” of the Internet, extracting tolls from any web company that wants to reach Internet users.

Mark Taylor, an executive at Level 3 — one of those non-public facing delivery networks — says the problem arises from the fact that the big ISPs enjoy dominant market share in the regions they serve. That means that they don’t have to worry about dissatisfied customers switching to a different provider when the latest episode of Orange Is the New Black is stuck buffering. Instead, these big ISPs are free to “deliberately harm” the quality of their customers’ Internet connections in order to demand fees from web companies, Taylor wrote in a blog post — though it hasn’t been conclusively proven any ISPs have yet done so.

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Imagine if the Google's, Facebook's, twitters, netflix, etc. had to pay for access to the end user. How do they even start? How would Zuckerberg have covered that cost for facebook in the beginning, having to pay for access to end users? No new internet company would be able to succeed in a world like that.