re: cancelled cable TV, got a nastygram from comcast a week later

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UK has a free market with ISPs

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and NN rules

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wut?

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Myself, though, I've always warned that those "high" data caps were just a preemptive measure put in place in preparation for the very near future. A sneaky way to get dummies to support their anti-consumer agenda.

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we were mostly on the same page in that thread..i remember it was pretty epic because of the 20-something single guys who laughed at the idea anyone would need anywhere close to that amount of data and we should be thrilled at our quasi-governmental comcast overlords for such a generously high data cap.

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who wrote the oabama era NN policy?? oh yeah, comcast lobbyists.

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Ah, so you're confusing the NN rules as implemented with NN principles themselves. Easy mistake to make.

Do you at least see how data caps play into the actual NN principles, now?

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Problem is, some here in the US think we know what's best all the fricking time.

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well, i mean aren't we generally right?

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o you at least see how data caps play into the actual NN principles, now?

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i can see where you're going with this and i'll slightly concede the point but you have to admit its a bit of a stretch to make your case.

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well, i mean aren't we generally right?

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Sure, but isn't it a virtue to recognize when you're not? It should be, but unfortunately some consider it a weakness to admit when we're wrong.

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And now you're crying about it, practically begging for some regulation. But instead of stepping back on your misguided principles, you resort to breaking the law via piracy as a result of this "free market" frickery.

And then you probably condemn to hell somebody who's eating dinner tonight on your tax dollars.

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how does your view reconcile say the fact tmobile gives me unlimited video & audio streaming for my phone?

wouldn't that also be a 'negative' to NN?

why is that not seen as a positive for no NN? isnt that the market reacting and providing a better service than the competition for a better price?

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how does your view reconcile say the fact tmobile gives me unlimited video & audio streaming for my phone?

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Mobile data is a slightly different animal due to legit bandwidth concerns, but YES, allowing some but not all data to bypass caps is a violation of NN, strictly speaking. And I have always been conflicted on this one because I believe Tmobile will allow any service to sign up for that program without a fee. It just needs to be clear that these services are degraded, if imperceptibly so.

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why is that not seen as a positive for no NN?

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Because when it comes down to it, streaming video (and to a lesser extent audio) is THE reason there is a NN discussion at all at this point. And in the context of network management, downscaling video is a legit technique on today's mobile networks. IMO, Tmobile has handled giving consumers what they want (unlimited) in the most neutral way possible (allowing any service to sign up for the program for free). This being the most neutral way to handle a legit problem, any NN rules or lack thereof don't even come into play. They did the neutral thing regardless. How can it possibly be a positive for NO neutrality when they have acted as if they support the principles?

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music on 'insane' quality in spotify and 'high' quality in google music has yet or ever to hiccup so i dont know what you're talking about.

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you didn't read the fine print, thanks for proving my point again.

If you are streaming video after usually 12-20GB the quality is forced dropped by your provider.

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I honestly dont know how anyone uses 1024gb. I leave youtube playing for hours upon hours....often all night long after i've fallen asleep. Maybe 4k?

I've never gotten past 75%

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now pretend you are married with 4 children

750GB x 6 = 4,500TB

now do you get it?