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budget NAS 4TB-8TB range

Posted on 7/28/23 at 10:34 am
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/28/23 at 10:34 am
Anyone have any good suggestions for a budget friendly NAS? I have a single bay 4TB NAS solution that is about 8 years old that has served me well. I only have used about 2TB of it. My NAS mainly serves as a media server only. I dont need anything high powered or feature rich. Even 1Gbps LAN is fine.

I could get by with an external drive if I didn't need to switch between windows and linux and still mount the drive. I'd prefer the drive be using EXT4 anyway so that eliminates an external drive with windows.

I did some searching but I dont recognize any of the names out there right now like Qnap, terramaster, etc. I recognize Synology but those appear out of my price range.
This post was edited on 7/28/23 at 10:36 am
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George, LA
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 7/28/23 at 12:02 pm to
QNAP is a good product
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
18840 posts
Posted on 7/28/23 at 12:20 pm to
If you don't need anything fancy, you can get 2 bay QNAP/Synology/Buffalo NAS on eBay for pretty cheap. Especially the older models

Newer ones can be a pretty penny
Posted by TAMU-93
Sachse, TX
Member since Oct 2012
1073 posts
Posted on 7/28/23 at 1:17 pm to
How cheap? You can get a used business grade desktop off ebay for $50. New 8TB drives are around $125.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
20030 posts
Posted on 7/28/23 at 1:36 pm to
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If you don't need anything fancy, you can get 2 bay QNAP/Synology/Buffalo NAS on eBay for pretty cheap. Especially the older models

Newer ones can be a pretty penny



The buffalo linkmaster looks interesting and affordable. Is there anywhere to read up on thsoe?
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
20030 posts
Posted on 7/28/23 at 1:40 pm to
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How cheap? You can get a used business grade desktop off ebay for $50. New 8TB drives are around $125.


$50 sounds nice. I can learn to deal with a business grade device if I had to. How would I go about finding quality devices from trustworthy sellers?

With drives and 4TB of storage, I'd like to be around $200. if it is 8TB, i'd like to be around $300. I'm sure that is not realistic but I am having a hard time adjusting to how much prices have gone up.

I'm old enough that I am used the prices dropping significantly year over year but it seems now a 4TB NAS same as what I have would cost about $100 more than I paid for it. I miss the days when I'd get a 500GB drive for $80 then a year later I could get a 1.5TB drive for $70.
Posted by TAMU-93
Sachse, TX
Member since Oct 2012
1073 posts
Posted on 7/28/23 at 5:14 pm to
Here's a turnkey "eBay Refurbished" Dell OptiPlex with a 1 year warranty for $152.81.

LINK
i5-6500
8GB RAM
4TB HDD
Windows 10 Pro

Unfortunately, there's no 8TB option. You could select the cheapest HDD option and swap in your own HDD.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
20030 posts
Posted on 7/28/23 at 6:10 pm to
thanks but that is a full blown PC. I'm just looking for a NAS.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 7/28/23 at 7:11 pm to
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dont recognize any of the names out there right now like Qnap



FWIW they’re arguably the best product out there (I own a Synology). So don’t let a funny name let you put it in a lower tier than it belongs.



You essentially only want an SMB share it seems like. Router-attached-USB or UNRAID on the Optiplex posted would almost certainly be sufficient. Also, essentially any Linux distro would do just fine to host a file share, and you you say “media server,” so there are most of your favorite media servers (Plex, Emby, jellyfin, etc) on just about every Linux distro (and on most of the boxes) If you want to dedicate some processing power to it rather than just have a raw share.

I went with synology in the end because I wanted a test bench solution for an office product I was consideri implementing, it has upgradeable ram, and really its software is a tad “easier” than the rest. I’m no tech dummy, and I understand how low powered-to-crappy the hardware I’m buying is, but it has been a pretty wonderful device to be a backup server, I let it hold the data for a plex share but host it on a different device, it is capable of Docker and VMs (even specifying different shares/drives per VM), but I bought a $100 off-least 8500T USFF box to host proxmox (with a Fedora instance + HomeAssistant (and I’m about to migrate my instance of AdGuard Home from the HA Add On to the Fedora VM, because it seems that any update on the device even just being available breaks the instance of AdGuard Home (for anyone who has struggled through the stream of consciousness and wants to weigh in, tell me why I’m an idiot)). I had a project I was going to try rsync for but found another solution prior to even dabbling.


If you want RAID, you need one of the ones you mentioned. If you just want a file share (and would be happy with a removable drive, like you say), just get a box like above or an ultra SFF like this tiny, formidable monster (or one of its brothers with only 16gb ram for about $30-40 less, as 32GB ram is overkill for this solution) + an external HDD or 6 of your liking like this WD 8TB one for $168. Granted, if I wanted to do this, I at this point care enough about aesthetics to not buy an external drive to connect to a device so tiny, I would buy a bigger desktop (like above) with a few internal drives. Just about every other solution you will find will be:
1) worse hardware, so you’d better be getting better software than you could roll on your own (this goes for almost all “tiny” and “pi” devices)
2) more expensive.
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
18840 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 8:05 am to
quote:

thanks but that is a full blown PC. I'm just looking for a NAS.


Just install truenas and you'll have a nas
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 9:46 am to
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Just install truenas and you'll have a nas



Damn it- I said UNRAID but really meant trueNAS/freeNAS
Posted by bengalman
In da Country
Member since Feb 2007
3808 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 12:40 pm to
2 Bay Qnap is your best bet. I have been using a 4 bay model for quite some time now for plex.
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 7/30/23 at 1:45 am to
Synology is the way to go. Easy to use and reliable. You can get a 2 bay Synology for $180 and put whatever drives you want in there. Choose HDD or SSD in advance because you can't really mix and match or go back once you go SSD.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
20030 posts
Posted on 7/30/23 at 9:50 am to
Thanks for all the replies everyone. I'll go look at Qnap and Synology first and maybe the Buffalo if I still need to go cheaper.

I am just looking for an SMB share. I run plex and other servers off of my main PC and just use the NAS as a network storage drive because it makes it easy to switch between Windows an Linux on my PC/server. I wanted something small and headless because my NAS just sits on a shelf in my IT space and I want something that uses very little power.

I guess my last question is how reliable is RAID0 these days on like a 2-bay NAS? I ran RAID0 in a PC about 10 years ago and it only lasted about 1 year before the first corruption issue hit and lost all the data.

I do keep an offsite backup of anything I cant afford to lose on my NAS. Mainly family videos. So those get sync'd to a drive at another location. So should I lose a RAID0 array, it wouldn't be too bad but that remote site doesn't have broadband so restoring would take a LOOONG time. I guess I'm just saying this because the speed of RAID0 might be nice and I dont need a RAID1 capable NAS.

Thanks again everyone!
This post was edited on 7/30/23 at 9:54 am
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
18840 posts
Posted on 7/30/23 at 10:21 am to
I only raid0. Rebuilding arrays isn't worth my time. I have a 50tb array that gets backed up locally to another array.

Anything sensitive off the backed up array then gets backed up off site
This post was edited on 7/30/23 at 3:53 pm
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 7/30/23 at 3:05 pm to
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how reliable is RAID0 these days



As reliable as the drives. Make sure you’re buying NAS-grade drives. That said, for the application, I don’t know what ‘bump’ you’ll get in performance from RAID0 vs just a hosted SMB share without the RAID (saving you the purchase of a disk up front and giving you the ability to add it later)
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
10029 posts
Posted on 7/30/23 at 4:51 pm to
I have a 5 bay Synology 1520+ I just replaced with a 1522+. I just wiped 2 6GB and 3 4GB drives this weekend, all Western Digital NAS drives. I used it for the same purpose you intend to. It *can* run Plex, but I just put the Plex instance on my desktop. Let me know if you're interested. Going to the eBay route to sell six items is a PITA.

I used the Synology Backblaze C2 backup to backup everything except videos to the cloud, and it was shockingly cheap (like under $3 a month.) I used Synology Hybrid Raid across five drives. I had I think two drives fail in the last two or three years, and thanks to Newegg/Amazon the replacement was easy and timely.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
20030 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 9:44 am to
I am interested but looking that up, I think even the used price is going to be well above my budget. That is a pretty powerful product.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
10029 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 9:37 pm to
I know we're not supposed to sell shite here, but I'll ship you five drives for $200 (none are SMR). Take the 1520+ for another $200 when you get around to it. I'd rather ship it to an actual person, than some eBay bot that is going to make my life hell for the next six months.

I've typically had a case that can hold at least four drives, outside of an SSD, for data redundancy. I was RAID 5 all day, all night. The paranoia is strong.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/31/23 at 10:09 pm to
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