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re: Anybody know anything about wireless routers?

Posted on 12/29/21 at 9:28 pm to
Posted by flyAU
Scottsdale
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 9:28 pm to
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Anybody know anything about wireless routers?


What baud?
Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
33154 posts
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:26 am to
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Was addressing wifi concerns for the mobile devices. Cheap alternative that works. Don't see how it's the worst possible advice.


The house already has a mesh system; why would he buy even more things?
Posted by Grievous Angel
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Dec 2008
10303 posts
Posted on 1/1/22 at 7:26 pm to
Nothing beats a wired connection. If you're building, add ethernet everywhere.

A single Wireless router is superior to Mesh *if* it provides the coverage you need. Wireless mesh requires one of the "bands" be be dedicated to the "backhaul" which allows each mesh point to communicate. Which for most people would be "fine."

But mesh is not as good as a wired house, with multiple access points as needed to service wireless devices.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27689 posts
Posted on 1/4/22 at 4:58 pm to
Thanks for the reply. I’ll definitely look into the multiple access point thing as others have also suggested in this thread.
Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
23682 posts
Posted on 1/4/22 at 5:42 pm to
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But I don’t really know what I’m talking about overall lol. Networking stuff is mostly over my head.

You could hire someone that does know, or frustrate your way through it.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27689 posts
Posted on 1/4/22 at 9:13 pm to
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You could hire someone that does know, or frustrate your way through it.


I’m not an idiot when it comes to technology. I just needed a little direction to get me started.
Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 1/5/22 at 7:55 am to
Good luck, you sound like you have no idea what to do.
I'll never understand people who go through the trouble of building a home, only to half-arse and redneck engineer their systems.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27689 posts
Posted on 1/5/22 at 12:51 pm to
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Good luck, you sound like you have no idea what to do. I'll never understand people who go through the trouble of building a home, only to half-arse and redneck engineer their systems.
Who said anything about half-assing? I’m not a novice when it comes to tech. I’ve set up my own modem and router several times. This mesh stuff is new to me. I came here for advice from people who know more about this particular aspect of tech than I do. I listened to what they said, and now will do my own research to increase my own knowledge and I’ll take it from there.

If I was half-assing it I would have just gone ahead and done something without asking for advice. The fact that I asked people with more knowledge than me what their thoughts were, in combination with my own research, should tell you I’m not the kind of person to just wing my way through it.

My current house is 25 years old. It was not wired for Ethernet. I’ve never had to deal with wired access points. Mesh is pretty new, so I’ve never dealt with that either. My ignorance on the topic is simply because I’ve never dealt with it before.. not that I’m incapable. My simplistic questions in this thread were me just wanting 100% clarification.
This post was edited on 1/5/22 at 1:03 pm
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
5738 posts
Posted on 1/5/22 at 1:42 pm to
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Who said anything about half-assing? I’m not a novice when it comes to tech.


Little advice. Don't take things personally. Usually, when someone is insulting it's from a place of ignorance or selfishness.

If someone is trying to shame you into taking their advice, it's because they're either trying to sell you something or they're so insecure they can't handle being disagreed with.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29000 posts
Posted on 1/5/22 at 1:53 pm to
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This mesh stuff is new to me. I came here for advice from people who know more about this particular aspect of tech than I do. I listened to what they said, and now will do my own research to increase my own knowledge and I’ll take it from there.
Well let's talk a little bit more about mesh wifi, because there's a lot of confusion about it.

Consumer "wifi routers" are multi-function devices. They are routers, firewalls, switches, wifi access points, etc. all in one box. Sometimes there's also a modem/gateway in the same box. That's a lot of stuff to do, and given they are rarely actively-cooled that's probably why they fail so often. Anyway...

Bigger networks separate most of these tasks across separate devices. Most crucially the wifi access point devices are spread across the facility, because rarely is the network closet the best place for it. Also, multiple low-powered access points perform better than a single high-powered one, because communications go both ways. No sense blasting wifi half a mile if the client device can't talk back to it.

So a wifi access point can be its own thing, and it can be anywhere on the network for devices to connect to it. My router at home does not do wifi. Instead, I have two Ubiquiti access points mounted to the ceiling, placed where they provide the best coverage. They are connected to my Ubiquiti PoE switch via ethernet cable, which supplies them with both data and power.

Many of the mesh wifi systems have network ports, so they can be connected to a switch in the same way as my access points (except they probably also need to be plugged into a power outlet as well). They might refer to this setup as "wired backhaul". The only thing "mesh" does is replace the wired backhaul connection with a wireless one, and it allows wireless "hopping" directly from one unit to another, and then maybe another...

The advantage of mesh is you can create a more ideal multiple access point configuration without having to run cable. The disadvantage is that a wireless connection will never be better than a wired one. Older/cheaper "range extenders" are typically crap, and they are basically just repeaters that re-broadcast everything they pick up. Mesh systems are typically smarter than this as they communicate directly with each other, typically over a different channel so as not to cut into wifi bandwidth. Still, a wireless connection can't beat the speed, latency, or reliability of a hard wire. Another limitation of mesh is that a wirelessly connected mesh point has to be within range of a strong signal from another unit. If it is placed at a location with a weak signal, the resulting slower speeds will impact all devices connected to that point. A wire overcomes this.



TL;DR: If the house "comes with" an Eero setup, assuming it is multiple units just go ahead and keep it. It will be better than any single access point. And assuming the house will be wired, plug those units in.
Posted by Pechon
unperson
Member since Oct 2011
7748 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 11:41 am to
I have an Eero Pro 6.

Good thing is the range and speed with Wi-Fi 6 devices compared to other Eero devices. I've been a huge fan of the parental controls on it as well.


The bad is if it's the only router you have you may have issues with some smart home devices not liking the wifi 6 network. I have an extra Eero Pro (the old one) to extend my wifi in the house and make some of the smart devices happy. It's seamless so it's notike there's multiple SSIDs or anything.
Posted by Tigershatebama
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2006
271 posts
Posted on 1/9/22 at 12:28 am to
What I would do assuming you're getting both cat5/cat6 wired to every room and an eero system. This also assumes you will have a central switch to connected to all wall jacks. Put the eero router near your modem. Connect it to the wall. You no longer need to worry about the quality of your backhaul connection, so find the best wall jack locations for your satellites to blanket the rest of your house for WiFi coverage.

By hardwiring your satellites, you can simply place them in the best areas where WiFi coverage is weakest. You don't need to consider the wireless backhaul quality.

If you need an extra satellite, you may consider using your TP-LINK as your router near your modem with/without wifi, with your eero system as "satellite" access points.
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