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2026 and current state of smoke detectors in new build codes is crap

Posted on 7/22/26 at 8:59 am
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
94848 posts
Posted on 7/22/26 at 8:59 am
Y'all know I'm hooking up my buddy building a 7000sf house in the East TN mountains. For some reason he's trusted me for his entire smart infrastructure and I don't think he has any idea what he's getting into. He's focused on digging a well, driving to SC to pick up his temu elevator from the shipyards and most recently installing a spiral stairway himself.

So I've created several linked project management spreadsheets with task and timeline objectives for his electrician, builder and plumber for specific smart doodads like his plumbed thermador coffee machine and plumbed robot vacuums. Every single item needing purchased down to the individual patch panel cables is being tracked. Overkill yes but I feel better knowing every single thing we need

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Ok tl;Dr I realized I had completely overlooked the smoke detectors. the good news is nothing has been purchased yet so I'm thinking this should a slam dunk right? Just need one of the multiple smart units by one of our friends in the industry like kidde or first alert, right? RIGHT!?!?!?!!?!? This should be simple in 2026.

frick no. Apparently Codes has zero requirement to handle what I would consider the most important feature of a hard wired system.. WHAT frickING ROOM IS ON FIRE.

You heard it right. State of the art new house build and your option is shitty builder grade smoke and CO detectors that buzz the whole house when a detector goes off. Good luck figuring out where the fire is in a 7k SF house. ...Have fun, don't die.

So there's pathetic options out there. Shitty nest detectors tied to Google that cost $150 each and have ZERO usable HA integrations or .well.. That's about it if you want to know where the fire is in your brand new home. what in the actual frick?

So I asked AI and the best they came up with outside of the nest bullshite was to interrupt the signal when it goes off with a little zwave doodad in the line. Worst than useless and still no room level data. Just 1 or 0 for the whole system.

I was about to suggest a shitty hack..install a shadow x-sense system like I have in my 70s reno house that would place an xsense unit next to each of the builder units that would also go off and report on the event so at least something would give him that info. pitiful, but its the best CAD's brain could come up with.

But hitting up the x-sense site those guys have done one better.. They just came out with units that can plug into the hard wired system and that meets codes and do everything we want and keep it LOCAL! The kicker is because they're new your can get a six pack for like $150.

He needs 18 units so for around $500 we can do everything we wanted and fix this HUGE gap in his smart home.

I see no downside and the builder has read the specs on these and signed off on it for the install.

i pointed this out to gemini and chatgpt and they were like "oh cool! you found something better, yes you should do that!"

Still amazed this is the current state of the industry.


eta i guess a link would be helpful.

XP0J-iA Smart Hardwired Smoke and CO Alarm with Voice Alerts








This post was edited on 7/22/26 at 9:29 am
Posted by GrammarKnotsi
Hammond
Member since Feb 2013
10174 posts
Posted on 7/22/26 at 3:15 pm to
try buying an explosive gas one that doesn't plug in to an outlet thats 99.9% of the time too low on your wall to alert you.......
Posted by Dallaswho
Texas
Member since Dec 2023
3750 posts
Posted on 7/22/26 at 6:47 pm to
I just did 9x cheap BRK a couple months ago. Had to send one broken one back. Supposedly there is a little zwave adapter you can buy to tap into the signal wire and it’ll let you know when they go off, just not which device triggered the alarm. I figure me or whoever responds can find a fire, it’s not a set of car keys. Maybe if my place was 2.x larger, a fire might be harder to find.
This post was edited on 7/24/26 at 12:02 pm
Posted by HotBoudin
Metry
Member since Sep 2003
1252 posts
Posted on 7/27/26 at 6:01 pm to
You can get a 4 zone system for ~700.
Posted by j1897
Member since Nov 2011
5012 posts
Posted on 7/27/26 at 8:12 pm to
I hear you, but the common thought is, if there's a fire, get the hell out of there. The room on fire is irrelevant, get the hell out of there. I think the common mantra there is don't try to put it out, get out and save your life.

I would not install a system that didn't do the above, you will get sued if something bad happens.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
94848 posts
Posted on 7/27/26 at 11:35 pm to
You don't think it's important to know if you're running towards the fire and not away?
Posted by taylork37
Member since Mar 2010
15927 posts
Posted on 7/28/26 at 3:10 am to
Might be a silly question, likely because I havent needed to think about installing 18 CO/Smoke detectors, but are there even 18 room names unique enough to pinpoint where the detection is?

"Alert! Smoke detected in bedroom #5"

Which one is bedroom #5?!?

Posted by j1897
Member since Nov 2011
5012 posts
Posted on 7/28/26 at 8:44 am to
quote:

You don't think it's important to know if you're running towards the fire and not away?


You're running towards an exit. If there's fire blocking that exit, you choose another one. You don't "let me get my ipad out and see exactly where the fire is and show my friends."

This is from like 2nd grade my man.



*** Also just so you know, this technology absolutely exists, call a fire protection company and have them install it.
This post was edited on 7/28/26 at 8:46 am
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
94848 posts
Posted on 7/28/26 at 9:19 am to
quote:

You're running towards an exit. If there's fire blocking that exit, you choose another one. You don't "let me get my ipad out and see exactly where the fire is and show my friends."
it alerts you by voice in every room when the alarm is going off on the detector speaker wtf are you talking about an iPad?

You want to die on this hill that's fine but I've had similar setups at both my previous houses and it's fantastic.

99.9% of the time smoke detectors are going off because of smoke from a candle or burning food in the kitchen etc. You going to run screaming out of your house and not investigate a smoke issue before it gets out of hand? Pretty sure I've been able to calmly address a smoke detector going off by going right away to the location of the alarm.

And I guess there's ZERO value in knowing where CO detection occurred. who would want that kind of detail?

Why are you defending an antiquated 1990s model of dumb smoke detectors?
This post was edited on 7/28/26 at 9:27 am
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
94848 posts
Posted on 7/28/26 at 9:21 am to
quote:

Alert! Smoke detected in bedroom #5"

Which one is bedroom #5?!?
you don't have unique names for every room in your house now?

That's the least of your worries. I have 10 smoke detectors now and every one is named clearly.
Posted by j1897
Member since Nov 2011
5012 posts
Posted on 7/28/26 at 10:20 am to
quote:

I've had similar setups at both my previous houses


Then what are you bitching about? Do that same setup and move on.
This post was edited on 7/28/26 at 10:22 am
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
94848 posts
Posted on 7/28/26 at 10:27 am to
quote:

Then what are you bitching about? Do that same setup and move on.
jesus, kids today

reading comprehension. you clearly didn't read the OP.
Posted by Helo
Orlando
Member since Nov 2004
4831 posts
Posted on 7/28/26 at 1:54 pm to
What type of home network is he using?

If using Ubiquity, they are releasing a battery powered Smoke and CO2 detector soon.

Ubiquity Store - Smoke Detector.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
94848 posts
Posted on 7/28/26 at 1:58 pm to
tplink omada: switches, router, hardware controller and ceiling APs
This post was edited on 7/28/26 at 1:59 pm
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George, LA
Member since Aug 2004
80937 posts
Posted on 7/28/26 at 10:22 pm to
Talk about overthinking it. It's a damn smoke detector.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
94848 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 12:12 am to
Ikr? It's not like this is the tech board or something.

Nobody needs to be alerted which room a smoke or CO detector went off in. That's crazy.
This post was edited on 7/29/26 at 12:15 am
Posted by Dallaswho
Texas
Member since Dec 2023
3750 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 7:00 am to
I guess it depends on size of building. In general, the $20 BRK ((First Alert) are pretty good. Wired reliability, much fewer false alarms. The 9v signal is simple and reliable and tapping into it for general remote/smart sensing has no chance of disrupting the broader alert system without gross negligence. They’re make it almost impossible to screw up installation.

There are MUCH worse things in our electrical codes, like getting rid of the dedicated appliance exemptions and defaulting them back to AFCI combo breakers that will inevitably killl 100x-1000x more people via food borne illness than it will ever save.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
94848 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 7:43 am to
His house is 7kish, 3 floors, elevator, garage with Tesla and Lift, wood burning stove, etc. mine is around 4k and I have 12 detectors.

I've been very pleased. When we moved in there was one yellowed detector in the hall and I'm the weirdo who keeps fire extinguishers in almost every room.

It's not zwave or zigbee but it did create it's own MESH and even though it's a 1970s build and no hard wire, the batteries are still holding steady at 99% 2 years later. The only downside is I put the one in the master bedroom too close to the shower and sometimes when my wife leaves the door open and has the shower going at 200° that unit will go off from the steam.

My retro install was beyond stupid easy and it integrates well with home assistant so I have all kinds of triggers to turn lights on, provide verbal instructions throughout the house on every Sonos including instructions to where the nearest fire extinguisher is located to the room where the alarm went off, unlocks doors, etc.

yes zero value in having any of that.

My friend is even more of a fire nut than me and has fire extinguishers in every room along with fire ladders and the builder approved these units so I'm excited to get him going on the automation. He's got more potential things that can go wrong including a wood burning stove to use in the winter.

I don't see anything about this that's overthinking anything over the energy monitoring system, smart locks, thermostats, etc so it's odd people are acting butt hurt for me sharing.

That's the point of this board last time I checked.

This post was edited on 7/29/26 at 7:51 am
Posted by taylork37
Member since Mar 2010
15927 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 3:17 pm to
Thats not the question. I do have unique names so perhaps I am confused at the format in which you are notified of an alert. My CO detector will say loudly the room the CO is detected in, but I can't program it to say anything outside of the basic room names like Living Room or Bedroom.

So I guess I am asking how you are alerted and if that alert is specific to your unique name?

Posted by mchias1
Member since Dec 2009
1006 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 6:58 pm to
OT from this thread but couldn't find your other one.

Have you tried openCode addon with HA? I just installed it and it made short work of creating an automation I wanted to do.

May want to try to it on your friends set up when you start. You can show him how to do it and then he can add his own automations later.
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