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Why was Bob Bradley a bad Premier League coach?
Posted on 1/21/17 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 1/21/17 at 11:39 pm
Curious since Swansea is 2-3 since he was fired and 2-7-2 during his tenure
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Posted on 1/21/17 at 11:50 pm to tduecen
He was put in an unenviable position. He took over another manager's team in October. He couldn't find a winning lineup. He was already on the hot seat when he got hired, because it was obvious that Swansea's American owners wanted an American manager.
He wasn't good, but he also wasn't afforded the liberties other new managers receive. He was doomed to fail. Swansea might have won two games since his sacking, but they're still favored to be relegated.
He wasn't good, but he also wasn't afforded the liberties other new managers receive. He was doomed to fail. Swansea might have won two games since his sacking, but they're still favored to be relegated.
This post was edited on 1/21/17 at 11:51 pm
Posted on 1/22/17 at 12:08 am to tduecen
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Why was Bob Bradley a bad Premier League coach?
The guy never had a shot. American owners hiring the first American manager in Premier League history does not look good from an English (or Welsh, in this case) perspective. And his most recent job before Swansea was in the French 2nd division. You can't really blame them. Most of the factors for Bob taking the job didn't add up or make sense, but he just couldn't turn down the opportunity to manage a Premier League club at his age and at this point in his career. To be honest, he looked way in over his head.
Another thing - His wardrobe choices were dreadful
but seriously that stuff matters. And I think it's pretty cool. Conte, Mourinho, Guardiola, Pochettino - I love that they care about how they look on the touchline. Players notice these things. 
Posted on 1/22/17 at 12:26 am to mynamebowl
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Players notice these things.
oh really
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:17 am to WarSlamEagle
I mean he has had success at most places even if it is minimal... Dude could have had some success in the Premier League but doubt he could have brought a title home.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 3:46 am to tduecen
Tactically he was getting circles ran around him
Swansea's new manager has been at some of the best clubs in the world as an assistant.
He should have never been fired from Derby
Swansea's new manager has been at some of the best clubs in the world as an assistant.
He should have never been fired from Derby
Posted on 1/22/17 at 5:37 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Tactically he was getting circles ran around him
I guess. I think it's hard for fans to REALLY understand tactics the way we think we do. Tactics are important obviously, especially for clubs like Swansea that don't look like they have the players to match up with most of the clubs in the Premier League.
But I kind of feel a different way about what makes a good, or great manager. It seems to me the managers that are having the most success these days aren't necessarily doing it because they are that much more tactically astute. It's more about creating an atmosphere conducive to winning. Pep, Jose, Klopp, Pochettino, Conte, Ancelotti, Zidane, Tuchel, all of the great ones. They have winning personalities. They are masters at managing players. Each has his own style, but the end product always seems to be an ability to guide and galvanize groups of dudes from radically different backgrounds to win big year after year.
And how this relates to Bob is I don't think he really has those things, at the very top level at least. Which is what the Premier League is right now. Top to bottom, I think it's the most difficult league to win in the world, in any sport. It's probably fair to say Bob just isn't good enough to win at that level.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 7:35 am to mynamebowl
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Pep, Jose, Klopp, Pochettino, Conte, Ancelotti, Zidane, Tuchel
You realize all these managers are excellent tacticians?
Posted on 1/22/17 at 7:44 am to mynamebowl
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It's more about creating an atmosphere conducive to winning.
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Jose
You know that Jose was fired from Chelsea for doing the exact opposite of this right?
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:41 pm to tduecen
Mostly because he had a bad team, too many other variables for outsiders to say conclusively, but he was bad because his players were bad, mostly. This is true most of the time in all leagues, one only need to see the correlation between wages and winning to understand that
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:38 pm to Cocotheape
the main problem was, he needed some time in the championship to get used to how the english game is run.
thus having time to change his tactics to the game
everyone goes in with their tactics, but you change after a while, when ur guys(which werent) cannot work with those tactics.
Each league is so different, especially the top leagues in Europe. Take Wenger as an example, i think his tactics and his game style would be perfect for the LaLiga. I think he could take a team like Valencia and build a perennial 3rd/4th place team that fights for the title a couple times a decade.
Tough to go from a B league to the top and compete with a flawed team u had nothing to do with or even helped build.
Not a Bob fan, but it was doomed from the start
thus having time to change his tactics to the game
everyone goes in with their tactics, but you change after a while, when ur guys(which werent) cannot work with those tactics.
Each league is so different, especially the top leagues in Europe. Take Wenger as an example, i think his tactics and his game style would be perfect for the LaLiga. I think he could take a team like Valencia and build a perennial 3rd/4th place team that fights for the title a couple times a decade.
Tough to go from a B league to the top and compete with a flawed team u had nothing to do with or even helped build.
Not a Bob fan, but it was doomed from the start
Posted on 1/22/17 at 5:15 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Tactically he was getting circles ran around him
In his post-Swansea interview with Grant Wahl, he said that most of the scorelines were by choice.
He could have bunkered after some 2-0 scores, and he chose to attack.
Maybe if would have Mourinhoed some 1-0 and 2-1 defeats, he'd still be there.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 6:38 pm to DB10_AFC
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You know that Jose was fired from Chelsea for doing the exact opposite of this right?
You can't really believe this right? He won the title the year before last if you didn't know. Last year was clearly a fluke for him and Chelsea and it was time to part ways. The guy is one of the best managers in the history of the game.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 7:53 pm to tduecen
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2-3 since he was fired
Well, to be fair, Swansea did have the luxury of playing Robin Hood-LFC right after Bob was fired. Taking points from the rich and giving them to the poor. Its what we do.
So I'd say that 2-3 record is inflated a bit because Paul Clement inherited a favorable schedule.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 1:51 am to Sheep
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In his post-Swansea interview with Grant Wahl, he said that most of the scorelines were by choice. He could have bunkered after some 2-0 scores, and he chose to attack. Maybe if would have Mourinhoed some 1-0 and 2-1 defeats, he'd still be there.
his teams were getting circles played around them.
Bunker down after being down 1 or 2 goals is a sure way to get fired.
That's a piss poor excuse.
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 1:52 am
Posted on 1/23/17 at 8:51 am to StraightCashHomey21
He had more points per game than the previous manager, with the same terrible players.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 9:21 am to cwil177
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He had more points per game than the previous manager, with the same terrible players.
The previous manager also kept them up last year.
I think Bob should have gotten one transfer window.
But he never should have been hired in the first place.
Of the older generation of American managers the first one to ever coach in the prem should have been Bruce.
For many reasons but I don't feel like typing them right now
Posted on 1/24/17 at 10:38 am to tduecen
brad bobley. megnuts.
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