re: Who is the best coach in the world?

I'm pretty sure we all know the correct answer is Brendan Rodgers.

how has del bosque not been mentioned?
Managed during Real Madrid's best stretch and he was able to get Barcelona and Real players to work together and create one of the most dominant runs in recent memory.

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Could you give Arsenal's payroll each season? Because saying Arsene's done the best with less is a complete fricking joke if you compare it with managers who have made it to the last 16 of the UCL with squads of well less than £15 mill.

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i'm not sure what this is supposed to mean. yes, there are a lot of managers who have made it to the round of 16 who have spent less on payroll. no one has done it with the consistency of arsene or in a league where their top competitors outspent them. sure, our payroll has been high every year (in large part because we've given big deals to all of players in an attempt to keep them happy; hasn't worked), but every year we've fended off that year's underdog making a run. every year we were supposed to drop out of the top 4 and never did. almost every year we were supposed to slip up in the group stage and never did. arsene has had the thinnest of margins of any manager in the elite club stratosphere and managed to not get canned and we've stayed mostly competitive at the highest level.

now that we have stabilized and we have the funds to compete, he has to win more trophies to keep up that reputation, that's for sure.

you combined multiple things in that argument, seemingly saying that a manager who once got to the last 16 of the CL with less was more impressive than arsene. it didn't really make sense.

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You can't say he's "done more with less" when he's only really fighting off three or four clubs each year who can challenge him while he fails to achieve anything beyond the bare minimum for his position.

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he's been competing with squads who, on salary alone, have trumped him by 30+%, not to mention the 40-60m/yr difference in net transfer spend, being forced to sell your best players to make end's meet. again, i think you're underrating the consistency required because all of the other big clubs have tripped up since then in some way, which they've been able to bounce back from through investment which was impossible for arsenal. other big clubs have spent more and been pipped by lesser clubs.

eta: doesn't make much sense to me at all to criticize AW in this way, because anyone also considered in this debate has had, minimally, as much financial support as arsene, and most a whole lot more. if you were trying to argue for some manager of a non-top club, it might make some sense, but even with our wages/transfer dealing combo being comparatively high throughout europe, they haven't been at the level of others on this list.

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much less impressive due to their payroll than clubs who have a payroll about 10% of Arsenal's making it to the knockout stages of the UCL consistently.

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Bhoy, what are examples of some teams you feel have done "more with less?"

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and again, with these historical "he won it with this!" deportivo de la coruna was his semifinal opponent, he beat monaco in the finals. this stuff means nothing without context but it does sound cool when you just say it!

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If it was so easy why didn't Arsene win it, with a loaded squad, that year? Or ever?

if we're talking about '96 on, or the era i thought we were talking about (the Emirates Era of Arsene being constrained, which is the main argument against him: he never won a trophy during that stretch) you're not making a damn bit of sense. especially when you're listing clubs that went insolvent.

you're listing teams that did something once, maybe a handful of times. my whole point has been arsene's consistency with less financial backing than any of the other managers listed in the upper echelon of management. i'm not talking single season "doing more with less!" teams. i'm talking on multiple levels: league success/stability (ability to maintain a CL spot) and UCL knockout round streak, the money from both of which kept us from hemorrhaging money and being forced to sell even more players.

you're comparing arsenal/AW to tiny clubs, which is kinda irrelevant to the discussion we're having. i'm comparing arsenal/AW to the big clubs and the big managers of this era. jose, carlo, pep, etc etc. didn't deal with the financial constraints arsene had to.

sure arsenal spent near the top in the world. but chelsea, real, barca, recently city, etc. have far outstripped that spending both in transfer dealings and wages.

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, he isn't the tactician Jose is.

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No doubt. But, to question his consistency is utter nonsense.