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re: Where are the haters? Come tell us about how fricking bad Jurgen and the team are

Posted on 6/8/16 at 8:17 am to
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126858 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 8:17 am to
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Oh the horror of being "stuck" with the best coach in USMNT history


Your shite is getting old around here
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
25482 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 8:26 am to
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best coach in USMNT history


Based on what? Honest question


I mean his winning % is the best in the last 30+ years, and beat Ghana which no one before him had seemingly been able to do.

Also, I absolutely agree with him regarding the Colombia game. I watched the game and came away thinking the talent level wasn't that different on the field. I expected it to be far better on the Colombia side and I didn't think it was. They had a great corner kick set piece and got a penalty on what I believe was a correct call. The US had a ball go wide by about 6 inches and had a corner that didn't go in. That is 4 outcomes where Colombia put 2 in and the US put 0 in.

I believe the talent the USA puts onto the field in 2016 is superior than what it has put on the field before
Posted by PeepleHeppinBidness
Manchester United Fan
Member since Oct 2013
3553 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 8:26 am to
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It was a cracking performance, mate - can't wait to see our lads in Philly


Oh good, are you gonna pretend to go to that game too?
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 8:46 am to
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I believe the talent the USA puts onto the field in 2016 is superior than what it has put on the field before

I agree, but I don't think you can really credit Jurgen with that.
Posted by EastNastySwag
Member since Dec 2014
5978 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 8:50 am to
And why the hell not?

John Brooks, Jermaine Jones, Bobby Wood, Jordan Morris, Pulisic, etc. all just grew on a tree I guess.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:10 am to
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Bobby Wood, Jordan Morris, Pulisic
You act like he was their coach. None of what they have accomplished has been because of Jurgen. They were too old to have really benefited from any changes he's put in place.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
40042 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:07 am to
The biggest downside for me is Klinsmann's tactics. They are a massive downgrade from Bradley. I honestly think he tried to bring the possession game here and occasionally it's worked really well. But the problem is that he sort of assumes American players intuitively understand positioning when in fact they don't. We've always been well drilled in terms of positioning since Arena, and Bob was big on it too. JK's job was to transition from the low-block/counter-attacking game to a high-pressure/high line/possession game. Or at least I think that's what he wanted. His tactical history has been all over the place and it doesn't help that he's not the most effusive or articulate in terms of describing what he's trying to do, to both the players and the fans. He often talks about intangibles like motivation and hunger, which are things he values, but he doesn't talk about spacing or where players should play or how they should play. I recall one interview with either Bradley or Jones where it was revealed that they work out how they are going to play right before the match, which was why in some games early in JK's tenure we saw Bradley holding exclusively while Jones played the B2B role.

I don't think we have to players to deploy the possession game in all honesty, but I don't know if JK is the one to reinstill the low block game that was the staple of American play. What annoys me about that is that the counter-attack low block set was quintessentially American, as it emphasized things we are very good at, namely work-rate and athleticism, which allowed us to gain a lot of ground on the rest of the world. Other sides in Europe and South America have shown that this is still a viable option for tournament soccer. Hell Leicester City showed it was viable at the very top of the club level.

There is no shame in the counter-attack. At the international level I think it should be the default tactic because the possession game in the international game is so hard to execute. That gives us a tremendous advantage because we are more athletic than 95% of the teams we face, and it's really only a team full of freakish athletes (like this latest Belgium class) and some teams that produce the best players in the world (France, Brazil, etc.) who produce players who are both technical and athletic. That's the final tier and we won't reach it for another generation or two. But I just want to emphasize what makes American teams of the past effective (from Arena onwards), because I don't think we can execute the possession game for quite a while.
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 10:09 am
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:11 am to
My Ukrainian GF really is 10 years younger than me and an OT 8.5 as well, mate. Just keep working hard and stay fit for yer age and you too can have these nice things

This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 10:16 am
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126858 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:13 am to
You paid $200 for that shite last night
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:23 am to
Ah, mate. Fortunately work picked up these ducats last night (and the pints prior to, thank heaven). But this weekend in Philly we're on our own and you should see what J coughed up for those seats I think they are actually $250 each.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126858 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:23 am to
Sucker born every minute
Posted by PeepleHeppinBidness
Manchester United Fan
Member since Oct 2013
3553 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:37 am to
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My Ukrainian GF really is 10 years younger than me and an OT 8.5 as well, mate. Just keep working hard and stay fit for yer age and you too can have these nice things


Thanks, mate
Posted by LSUGlory16
Mville
Member since Jun 2014
1168 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:38 am to
Last nights performance by Jermaine Jones only confirms my theory that he was point shaving for the narcos against Columbia
Posted by EastNastySwag
Member since Dec 2014
5978 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:39 am to
Troll attempt failed
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
25482 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 3:15 pm to
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think they are actually $250 each.


My friend and I are thinking of driving up from DC and prices are so fing low. After seeing attendance at the first 2 games I feel confident we can get them for $50 or less
Posted by SirWinston
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Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 5:36 pm to
Absolutely - wait until before kickoff and get them as I prefer to do

My buddy does this "buy tickets at the absolute height of the market 4 months before the game" shite constantly - it drive me crazy... but he's a good friend, so whatever.

I always like waiting until an hour before the game and using SH - it has literally NEVER failed me and SH has been setting up at events much better than they used to. No line yesterday we got our $200 face value tickets for $135 each after the fees.
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 5:38 pm
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
30133 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 6:59 pm to
What is SH?
Posted by SlowEasyConfident
Member since Nov 2015
6650 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 7:02 pm to
stub hub?
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 7:08 pm to
yeah stubhub
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