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re: We only held serve...
Posted on 12/6/22 at 3:47 pm to NewbombII
Posted on 12/6/22 at 3:47 pm to NewbombII
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We made it to the knockout round in the weakest group
This is just straight up incorrect. We were objectively in the hardest group
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1. Group B: England, USA, Iran, Wales
The toughest group of all due to the average world ranking of 15 and a spread of just 15 places. It is also the tightest and most competitive.
England (5th) must be considered a serious challenger for the trophy. But there could be fireworks, as England take on their neighbours, Wales (19th), and USA (16th) face off against geopolitical rival Iran (20th).
You can disagree with ours being the toughest group, but to say it was the weakest just shows a lack of perspective.
I would have liked to win at least 1 knockout game but after gettin 2-0d by japan and 0-0 against saudi in the leadup I was very glad to make it out of the group.
This post was edited on 12/6/22 at 3:50 pm
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Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:03 pm to Corinthians420
Being happy to get out of the group really moves the needle forward.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:04 pm to NewbombII
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Being happy to get out of the group really moves the needle forward.
I think you have to apply some nuance to this. You can be happy you got out the group while also disappointed you didn't go further.
All this talk about moving some imaginary needle ring hollow though when we've learned that progression with this program has no rhyme or reason.
This post was edited on 12/6/22 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:18 pm to Broski
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All this talk about moving some imaginary needle ring hollow though when we've learned that progression with this program has no rhyme or reason.
Exactly! Just assuming more time has passed so now we should advance further makes no sense. We were still over a 3 to 1 underdog to advance. If we could have beat England and faced senegal then expectations should have been higher. As it went, even a win over wales would not have won us the group because of England goal differential and drumming of Iran.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:25 pm to Corinthians420
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We were objectively in the hardest group
Objectively? How?
Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:26 pm to Corinthians420
Sure, but I was thinking on a more macro level.
For example, where the frick was this imaginary needle when we were a year removed from the program’s biggest embarrassment followed by a lost year of Dave Sarachen coaching?
For example, where the frick was this imaginary needle when we were a year removed from the program’s biggest embarrassment followed by a lost year of Dave Sarachen coaching?
Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:27 pm to Corinthians420
For me as far as results go it was make it out of the group and then anything after that was bonus.
Looking at this cycle as a whole we still too many struggles on the road in qualifying against bad teams. To take that next step we need to get past the "well it's hard to play on the road in CONCACAF" mentality and start to bury these teams we should be burying. Struggling to get shots against bad teams in our region is a telling sign.
Looking at this cycle as a whole we still too many struggles on the road in qualifying against bad teams. To take that next step we need to get past the "well it's hard to play on the road in CONCACAF" mentality and start to bury these teams we should be burying. Struggling to get shots against bad teams in our region is a telling sign.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:33 pm to etm512
I am one of the biggest Gregg haters, but we are heading in the right direction. Don't get me wrong, we need someone new to take us the next step, but this was a successful World Cup all things considered. Not just because we got out of the group, but also because of our performances against England and the Netherlands. Now let's get someone in who can take this insane attacking talent and help it reach its potential in 2026.
This post was edited on 12/6/22 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:56 pm to Broski
Exactly my point when I started this getting out of the group was what was expected. Arena, Klinsman and Bradley all got us out of the group stage with lessor talent. Failing to get out would have been abject failure of the system.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 5:02 pm to NewbombII
Jurgen also set the stage for a team not qualifying for the World Cup, which is where the program was when Gregg took over.
Sure there was more talent, but there was also no experience on this team, and you may scoff at it, but that matters in qualifying and a World Cup. You’re seeing that with a team like Morocco right now who finished dead last in its group in 2018.
Sure there was more talent, but there was also no experience on this team, and you may scoff at it, but that matters in qualifying and a World Cup. You’re seeing that with a team like Morocco right now who finished dead last in its group in 2018.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 5:03 pm to BleedPurpleGold
Those that think there was progress is based on team unity, culture building, and recruiting. But that’s about it. If you want to call that the needle moving in the right direction, then sure I’ll give you that. But it’s pretty hard not to given that the restarting point was 2018. Only way is up. However, one could say that would be the standard for any coach is to unify the team, culture build, recruit, and qualify.
Getting out of group stage is considered a “success” in only that it’s not failing to make the round of 16, but we’ve done that before.
Gregg did his job as a rallying youth group pastor who certainly proved he hit his ceiling. If we really want to take seriously in wanting the “world to look at American soccer differently”, then we need someone who can look at American soccer differently, than this MLS fratboy reliance.
Getting out of group stage is considered a “success” in only that it’s not failing to make the round of 16, but we’ve done that before.
Gregg did his job as a rallying youth group pastor who certainly proved he hit his ceiling. If we really want to take seriously in wanting the “world to look at American soccer differently”, then we need someone who can look at American soccer differently, than this MLS fratboy reliance.
This post was edited on 12/6/22 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 12/6/22 at 5:57 pm to Earnest_P
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But the really important question is whether we changed the way the world views American soccer.
Such an embarrassing talking point and it’s condescending towards the team. I can’t believe the soccer media had the nerve to repeat it
Posted on 12/6/22 at 6:01 pm to Alyosha
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Getting out of group stage is considered a “success” in only that it’s not failing to make the round of 16, but we’ve done before.
We’ve regressed as a country over the last two decades, or everyone else just got way better and we have been left in the dust. Round of 16 should be the bare minimum expectation. Our goal for 2026 should be to finally make a deep run. There are no excuses at this point with the level of talent we have and 4 years to develop cohesion and a true 9.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 6:11 pm to SUB
Our WC history really starts at 1990, so I think that’s a good starting point to judge our ebb and flow of progression/regression.
*Desmond Armstrong TYFYS (played against his team he coached. Had his poster growing up.)
*Desmond Armstrong TYFYS (played against his team he coached. Had his poster growing up.)
Posted on 12/6/22 at 6:22 pm to SUB
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Our goal for 2026 should be to finally make a deep run.
Our goal should be to win.
I have no idea what the format will look like, but the absolute floor should be at least in the quarter finals. It'll be the best team that we ever have on home soil. For that tournament specifically, we have to be setup at all costs to where we are entering the field thinking we have a legit shot to win it.
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