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re: Was Aguero vaccinated?
Posted on 11/16/21 at 6:27 pm to Keys Open Doors
Posted on 11/16/21 at 6:27 pm to Keys Open Doors
I feel like this shite happens all the time. People just don’t keep track of it the same way.
One of the best players at our rival high school (had P5 offers) couldn’t play because of a heart issue and almost died on the field back in 07.
One of the best players at our rival high school (had P5 offers) couldn’t play because of a heart issue and almost died on the field back in 07.
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Posted on 11/16/21 at 6:33 pm to Robin Masters
There were probably way more games played in 2021 than 2020 when games across the world (and practices) were stopped for months at a time.
If you think an Egyptian man dying in Egypt in early March is a sign that vaccines kill healthy people, I would love to sell you some ocean front property in Nebraska.
And you think that there are detailed historical records of amateurs over the age of 50 dying in Sunday afternoon league games around the world? In a way that 2021 data could be comparable to 1987 or 2002 or whatever?
If you think an Egyptian man dying in Egypt in early March is a sign that vaccines kill healthy people, I would love to sell you some ocean front property in Nebraska.
And you think that there are detailed historical records of amateurs over the age of 50 dying in Sunday afternoon league games around the world? In a way that 2021 data could be comparable to 1987 or 2002 or whatever?
Posted on 11/16/21 at 6:35 pm to Robin Masters
Even if we were going to entertain this, we could just blame it on COVID since the rate of myocarditis is higher in COVID than with the vaccine…like with virtually every other vaccine-related side effect in history
Posted on 11/16/21 at 6:38 pm to Robin Masters
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14 according to wiki. And only 9 in 2013. Plus year isn’t over yet so we could see a few more (pray we don’t).
So > than 50% increase over highest year ever? Hmmm.
We can be pretty granular and break these apart in any way you would like. 11 professional players, 3 retired/overage players, one 54, one 49 both of whom were playing for amateur teams, and one with an unlisted age. The 15 year old was an amateur as well, as was De Smet. I count 10 in 2013, but it comes down to nine if we want to exclude the 13 year-old. Also one of the 2021 deaths was from a collision. Another of the 2021 deaths was an Italian player, whose brother died on the field either in 2018 or 2012, depending on the source, which screams hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, a genetic cause.
2012-13 was really a banner year for this issue in particular, with the very public death of Piermario Morosini and the near-death of Fabrice Muamba. There are definitely more cases not listed, as the list is incomplete, especially for deaths that occurred before the 90's.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 6:39 pm to Dawgsontop34
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I feel like this shite happens all the time. People just don’t keep track of it the same way.
It is definitely more common than non-players realize.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 7:45 pm to crazy4lsu
Narrative is that there isn’t an increase in these events.
Clearly there is an increase.
Maybe it’s a coincidence. But let’s at least dispense with false assumption that it’s a normal year.
Clearly there is an increase.
Maybe it’s a coincidence. But let’s at least dispense with false assumption that it’s a normal year.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 7:54 pm to Robin Masters
No, the narrative is that vaccination is leading to more heart deaths than otherwise, and the evidence is just the list of deaths of players on the field, regardless of their age, genetic history, or their actual pathology. It isn't actually evidence at all.
Players having heart issues isn't unusual. It's been in the limelight since Marc Vivian-Foe passed in 2003. I know I can't convince that it is well-known, but it honestly has. Hell, a cardiac arrythmia put Abdelhak Nouri into a coma and left him with brain damage.
If the argument is that vaccination leads to increased heart issues in athletes, and four of the athletes died on the field in the very early stages of vaccination programs, why are those deaths included? It's extremely unlikely that the players who died before April were vaccinated, and I'm skeptical that the Croatian and Jamaican player were either.
So Giuseppe Perino and the Russian player aren't linked to vaccinations, and it is extremely unlikely that all four of the players who died at the beginning of the year were vaccinated. Where does that leave us?
Players having heart issues isn't unusual. It's been in the limelight since Marc Vivian-Foe passed in 2003. I know I can't convince that it is well-known, but it honestly has. Hell, a cardiac arrythmia put Abdelhak Nouri into a coma and left him with brain damage.
If the argument is that vaccination leads to increased heart issues in athletes, and four of the athletes died on the field in the very early stages of vaccination programs, why are those deaths included? It's extremely unlikely that the players who died before April were vaccinated, and I'm skeptical that the Croatian and Jamaican player were either.
So Giuseppe Perino and the Russian player aren't linked to vaccinations, and it is extremely unlikely that all four of the players who died at the beginning of the year were vaccinated. Where does that leave us?
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:05 pm to Robin Masters
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Robin Masters
You’re citing an article that’s citing a Gab account that doesn’t cite its sources.
Also cardiac events in athletes happen every year. Here is an academic paper published this year that looks at a four year period. LINK
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331 cases of confirmed SCA/D (158 survivors; 173 fatalities) were identified; 15.4% in middle school, 61.6% in high school and 16.6% in college and professional athletes. Average age was 16.7 (11–29) years, and the majority were in male (83.7%), basketball (28.7%) or American football (25.4%) athletes.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:09 pm to crazy4lsu
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If not something cush in academic medicine, I would love a job where I talk down to the PAs and NPs all day. I've found that when I correct them on some insanely pedantic point, it also makes me rock hard. My god I hate some of them.
You need to be in physicians for patient protection. Med student membership is free. You got an email?
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:17 pm to Robin Masters
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Another of the 2021 deaths was an Italian player, whose brother died on the field either in 2018 or 2012, depending on the source, which screams hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, a genetic cause.
I’m gonna swing that attending D and bring up that being Italian makes them way more likely to have ARVD, which can have pathonomonic EKG findings but requires a cardiac MRI to diagnose. If he had HCM he probably would have been diagnosed by ECHO after his brother’s death and withheld from sports participation.
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Clearly there is an increase.
You’ve done literally nothing in this thread to support/prove this point, even in the slightest.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:31 pm to cwil177
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I’m gonna swing that attending D and bring up that being Italian makes them way more likely to have ARVD, which can have pathonomonic EKG findings but requires a cardiac MRI to diagnose. If he had HCM he probably would have been diagnosed by ECHO after his brother’s death and withheld from sports participation.
Maybe that's what caused that Italian brother/sister soccer players death recently. Hell it might have been the aforementioned Italian player. My go-to answer is HCM because it is so easy to remember.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:36 pm to cwil177
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You need to be in physicians for patient protection. Med student membership is free. You got an email?
I'm pretty sure I joined when we had that thread on the OT lounge. I don't think it was free when I joined though, but the fee was small. I also regularly browse r/Nocter. I'm on a rot with a PA student right now, and the only thing stopping me from shite-talking her is I want to bang her.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:49 pm to crazy4lsu
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Maybe that's what caused that Italian brother/sister soccer players death recently. Hell it might have been the aforementioned Italian player. My go-to answer is HCM because it is so easy to remember.
Brugada, prolonged QT syndromes, and catecholaminergic polymorphic ventricular tachycardia can all cause fatal arrhythmias, and then you have commotio cordis.
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I'm on a rot with a PA student right now, and the only thing stopping me from shite-talking her is I want to bang her.
Bro, this sucks
Try working with them and have them constantly put patients and your license at risk with no benefit to yourself while you’re assuming extra liability to the benefit of a soul sucking CMG.
R/noctor is where I go to heal
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:50 pm to cwil177
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You’ve done literally nothing in this thread to support/prove this point, even in the slightest.
Two linked studies showed 74 and 52 instances of cardiac arrest in 5 and 4 years respectively for athletes in the 16+ age group. So basically around 13 per year.
There have been over 100 already this year which were all listed in my link above.
Not sure if they covered this in your Med school but 100 is more than 13.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:52 pm to Robin Masters
Yeah and I posted a more recent study showing rates are actually much higher than that. Maybe they didn’t teach reading at your community college.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:53 pm to cwil177
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Yeah and I posted a more recent study showing rates are actually much higher than that. Maybe they didn’t teach reading at your community college.
Go back and reread. Only 16% were 16+.
Starting to see why medical mistakes are the 3rd leading cause of death.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 9:01 pm to Robin Masters
People in this thread have already shown how dubious your claims are. At this point it doesn’t even matter what you think the yearly cardiac deaths are in athletes because you’ve done nothing to prove that any of those people who died were even vaccinated, which is the crux of what you’re arguing.
You obviously hate doctors but I bet you still pay to go see them. You must be really dumb to go pay money to see people who you dislike, distrust, and who you expect to kill you anyway.
You obviously hate doctors but I bet you still pay to go see them. You must be really dumb to go pay money to see people who you dislike, distrust, and who you expect to kill you anyway.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 9:04 pm to Robin Masters
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Two linked studies showed 74 and 52 instances of cardiac arrest in 5 and 4 years respectively for athletes in the 16+ age group. So basically around 13 per year
Maybe I’m wrong, but I thought it said that monitored only 18.5 million people.
I don’t know enough about this stuff, but I am smart enough to know that and trust the people that went to 4 extra years of school/residency. Not saying trust it blindly, but also ignoring it without giving any sort of thought doesn’t make sense either.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 9:08 pm to cwil177
I mean I'm wise enough to take all of these Internet reports with a grain of salt with no way to verify or deny their legitimacy but I personally know two healthy 30 somethings (like distance runner/soccer player healthy) who had heart issues out of nowhere after the shot.
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