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Broski
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United States of F#ck Yeah v. A Better Team | Friendly | 7 p.m. CT (FS1)
ugh...

I hate myself for this, but I genuinely felt this in the wake of Friday's loss. I'm not even angry about the current state of the MNT, I'm becoming more and more apathetic. I'm sure that will change once qualifiers crank up, but even during the darkest depths of Jurgen's time here, I was laser focused and read anything and everything about the USMNT.

The last 2 years have really beaten that enthusiasm out of me and I just have not faith in Gregg right now. I gave him the benefit of the doubt, even after the clown show that it took to hire him. And while it's still early in his tenure, I've seen nothing that excites me and that bums me out because we have a 21 year old who is the most talented player to ever wear the crest.

frick man... this sucks.


PhilipMarlowe
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re: United States of F#ck Yeah v. A Better Team | Friendly | 7 p.m. CT (FS1)
Bring on the USMLSNT (with just a pinch of actual euro talent), Im ready for pain.




after watching a berhalter full 90.


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StraightCashHomey21
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re: United States of F#ck Yeah v. A Better Team | Friendly | 7 p.m. CT (FS1)
Manager is average

Average MLS manager won’t cut it at this level

Down vote away Gregg cucks


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jackwoods4
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re: United States of F#ck Yeah v. A Better Team | Friendly | 7 p.m. CT (FS1)
I'm not watching tonight.


McCaigBro69
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re: United States of F#ck Yeah v. A Better Team | Friendly | 7 p.m. CT (FS1)
I’d argue that continuing to watch this team could possibly be a psychopathic tendency.


cwil177
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re: United States of F#ck Yeah v. A Better Team | Friendly | 7 p.m. CT (FS1)
I’ve been pretty down about the team for the past 3-4 years. I’m not sure this is a new low as some people state. Watching how we collapsed against Costa Rica in WCQ, the 2015 gold cup, and the confederations cup qualifier loss were all way worse to me. I get what Berhalter is trying to do with the team in terms of implementing a style of possession and passing out of pressure, but at some point he has to be pragmatic about our players and their capabilities. Like Alexi Lalas said, he is trying to paint the Sistine Chapel with crayons

The only silver lining to me is that the players seem to be supportive of the possession idea, judging by the post match interviews. Let’s see how long that lasts.


StraightCashHomey21
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re: United States of F#ck Yeah v. A Better Team | Friendly | 7 p.m. CT (FS1)
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The only silver lining to me is that the players seem to be supportive of the possession idea, judging by the post match interviews. Let’s see how long that lasts.


Trapp literally said they played naive after the Mexico match


The tactics are shite and what is ever worse is the inability to adjust tactics


But you know Tata doesn’t speak English
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mizslu314
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re: United States of F#ck Yeah v. A Better Team | Friendly | 7 p.m. CT (FS1)
im going


etm512
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re: United States of F#ck Yeah v. A Better Team | Friendly | 7 p.m. CT (FS1)
Playing out of the back is fine but when a team is pressing you with 6 players and daring you to play it over the top sometimes you need to do just that to create a numerical advantage


StraightCashHomey21
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re: United States of F#ck Yeah v. A Better Team | Friendly | 7 p.m. CT (FS1)
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StraightCashHomey21
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re: United States of F#ck Yeah v. A Better Team | Friendly | 7 p.m. CT (FS1)
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Playing out of the back is fine but when a team is pressing you with 6 players and daring you to play it over the top sometimes you need to do just that to create a numerical advantage


That goal with Steffen fricking up was the perfect example of not changing the tactics through out the match when things don’t go as planed


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East Nasty Swaaaaag
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re: United States of F#ck Yeah v. A Better Team | Friendly | 7 p.m. CT (FS1)
The doctor orders lots of alcohol to overcome the anxiety of an oncoming shitshow.


mizslu314
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re: United States of F#ck Yeah v. A Better Team | Friendly | 7 p.m. CT (FS1)
And I always listen to the doctors.


StraightCashHomey21
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re: United States of F#ck Yeah v. A Better Team | Friendly | 7 p.m. CT (FS1)
There isn’t really anything else on tv tonight


So I’ll force myself into this


mizslu314
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re: United States of F#ck Yeah v. A Better Team | Friendly | 7 p.m. CT (FS1)
im really only going for Josh(and Tim), so if he doesnt get the start, or a decent amount of PT, well I wont be happy.
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StraightCashHomey21
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re: United States of F#ck Yeah v. A Better Team | Friendly | 7 p.m. CT (FS1)
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The USMNT’s absolute insistence on playing through Mexico’s press was an extreme overcorrection for the Gold Cup final. Specifically, for the second half, when the U.S. neither possessed the ball nor progressed it into dangerous areas. Berhalter felt the answer was more possession. Some players felt otherwise. Berhalter, between then and now, evidently informed them that his answer was the right one. And so he set up a training session Friday. To correct the undesirable behavior of July – “in the Gold Cup, we were too direct” – he taught undesirable behavior at the other end of the spectrum – “in this game, we were not direct enough.” The idea is that the exercise will help yield desirable behavior as a long-term compromise. But the exercise was extremely flawed. Viewed as an experiment, it was unsuccessful. If coach did in fact instruct players to resist their own best judgement, refrain from playing long, and plunge into the teeth of the press at all costs, Friday was almost something less than soccer. It was blind adherence to ideals. Stubbornness that won’t serve the USMNT well in the long run.


Saw this on a yahoo article

Pretty spot on


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CelticDog
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re: United States of F#ck Yeah v. A Better Team | Friendly | 7 p.m. CT (FS1)
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I’d argue that continuing to watch this team could possibly be a psychopathic tendency.


uruguay will be fun for me.
No suarez. No cavani.

Uruguay is going to develop their world cup team.

3.5 million people.

They are fielding competitive u21 teams.

Here they come.

Sf bay, los angeles, nyc, and chicago metro all double uruguay population.

Surely someone can generate a long range development plan for usa.

I admit teeny uruguay doesnt lose athletes to baseball and football and hoops. But still...
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StraightCashHomey21
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re: United States of F#ck Yeah v. A Better Team | Friendly | 7 p.m. CT (FS1)
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Mexico knew it had a talent advantage. It recognized that its rival had no scheme to neutralize that advantage, nor the technical ability to solve an aggressive press head-on. So it pushed its line of confrontation higher and higher, loosened its pressing triggers, and hunted the ball. In doing so, it left its defenders isolated. In other words, it dared the Americans to deviate from their predetermined commitment to the incremental build. And they refused.


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Which, frankly, is ridiculous. There is not a single rational soccer team in the world that commits to playing through a press, rather than bypassing it, no matter how high or hard that press arrives. Not even Manchester City. Oft-cited as the deans of possession-based attacking, City is actual a useful counterexample here. Yes, Pep Guardiola’s teams pass and move through pressure in their own defensive third. But that’s just part of their space-creating scheme. They stretch the field in one direction. If opponents follow, City will also stretch the field in the other.


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Any coach who outright renounces the long ball fundamentally misunderstands the objective of possession. The coveted endgame, no matter the attacking process or style, is a quality chance. And style isn’t binary. It’s not an absolute decision between direct and patient. Soccer is a near-infinite series of decisions, primed by philosophies and gameplans and instructions, but ultimately made based on an ever-evolving library of circumstantial factors. And no matter the gameplan, there are circumstances that make bypassing a press optimal. Far too often on Friday, the USMNT seemed to ignore circumstance. It would invite pressure. Mexicans would enthusiastically accept the invitation. But the U.S. rarely looked prepared for their arrival.




StraightCashHomey21
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re: United States of F#ck Yeah v. A Better Team | Friendly | 7 p.m. CT (FS1)
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Opportunities to implement that plan, against a superior team with high-pressing tendencies, are few and far between. Tuesday won’t be one. Uruguay will sit in a mid-block, content to play without the ball.


So let’s see how we break down a team when we have a majority of possession tonight


cwil177
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re: United States of F#ck Yeah v. A Better Team | Friendly | 7 p.m. CT (FS1)
I get what he was trying to do, to break players out of their comfort zone. I don’t think we have the technique to pass around like that. Not thrilled about it but at least it was a friendly and not a competitive game. Doing that in a competitive game is a fireable offense imo


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