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re: UCL Round of 16 - 1st Week Discussion/Match Day(s) Thread
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:06 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:06 pm to crazy4lsu
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I can't imagine a neutral (truly neutral) would disagree.
I certainly don't. It was shaping up to be a thrilling match.
At the same time the red didn't "ruin" the game for me in the same sense it did to an Arsenal fan. And maybe I'm a romanticist, but I don't think the ref should make a call with that in mind, either.
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:07 pm to crazy4lsu
I honestly think it would have been a yellow if it looked at all like he was going for the ball.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:09 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
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At the same time the red didn't "ruin" the game for me in the same sense it did to an Arsenal fan. And maybe I'm a romanticist, but I don't think the ref should make a call with that in mind, either.
Of course not. I think there was an article in The Guardian about how Howard Webb has changed his refereeing style after the WC, to where he wants to affect the game as little as possible. In his case he tends to swallow the whistle a lot, which is thoroughly detrimental to the game as a whole.
The rules are the rules.
We did lose out on a potentially even contest, though the return leg should be interesting.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:10 pm to hendersonshands
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It's a red because he went studs up and barreled through Robben.
I admit I have only seen the gif on this page and I dislike Arsenal and Bayern equally so I have no dog in the fight but was Robben' boot not high as shite with studs showing too?
This post was edited on 2/19/14 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:11 pm to hendersonshands
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I honestly think it would have been a yellow if it looked at all like he was going for the ball.
My heart sank as soon as I saw it. If it wasn't a red that would have been the most controversial non-decision I would have seen in years. Seeing Robben's body shape and the way he took the ball, he had to take a touch, which Szcznesy didn't read. He had to make a decision, and I don't think he could help his recklessness all things considered.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:11 pm to joey barton
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The situation doesn't occur frequently enough for the keeper to hesitate before bringing a player down. It would turn into the new "take the yellow to prevent a counter."
You already see officials not even give the yellow for obvious take downs to prevent counters fairly often.
It's normal that there's bit of knee jerk as a fan when it happens to your team or even just in an entertaining high profile match but changing the rule would be a big mistake in my mind.
Making a challenge like Szczesny's today a yellow and PK would assure you see it a lot more often.
That the rule is so harsh is supposed to be a deterrent and Szczesny should be well aware since he did the same thing last summer in the Euros.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:12 pm to joey barton
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that that's part of the game. Soccer punishes you, perhaps disproportionately, for being stupid, losing focus, etc.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:14 pm to crazy4lsu
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I think there was an article in The Guardian about how Howard Webb has changed his refereeing style after the WC, to where he wants to affect the game as little as possible.
Yep, which goes against everything I've learned about rules in my life.
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We did lose out on a potentially even contest
It does suck. And it's compounded by the fact it happened in the CL knockout rounds. Nobody wanted to see it happen.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:15 pm to crazy4lsu
I think Bayern was on their way to controlling the game regardless of the red card. This game looked very familiar to many games this year. Slow start, errant passes, couple of defensive brainfarts before hitting their stride.
Monreal was going to get taken to school by Götze and Robben regardless of whether there were 10 or 11 guys on the field and I don't think Arsenal's midfield defensive shape was going to be able to handle Kroos, Thiago, Götze and Robben.
I could be wrong and I'm really not trying to be inflammatory. I think Arsenal needs to upgrade their defensive midfield spots in order to become an elite team.
I'm excited for the return leg because I know Arsenal is going to bring it, hopefully we start fast.
Monreal was going to get taken to school by Götze and Robben regardless of whether there were 10 or 11 guys on the field and I don't think Arsenal's midfield defensive shape was going to be able to handle Kroos, Thiago, Götze and Robben.
I could be wrong and I'm really not trying to be inflammatory. I think Arsenal needs to upgrade their defensive midfield spots in order to become an elite team.
I'm excited for the return leg because I know Arsenal is going to bring it, hopefully we start fast.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:15 pm to wm72
quote:and ironically, Poland played better after.
he did the same thing last summer in the Euros.
(but still lost) 
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:17 pm to crazy4lsu
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This post was edited on 2/19/14 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:17 pm to crazy4lsu
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I admit I have only seen the gif on this page and I dislike Arsenal and Bayern equally so I have no dog in the fight but was Robben' boot not high as shite with studs showing too?
Robben's boot was high but he got to the ball. Sczczcney was going through Robben like a heat-seeking missile and that's why it was a straight red, IMO. He didn't look like he was even making an attempt for the ball.
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My heart sank as soon as I saw it. If it wasn't a red that would have been the most controversial non-decision I would have seen in years. Seeing Robben's body shape and the way he took the ball, he had to take a touch, which Szcznesy didn't read. He had to make a decision, and I don't think he could help his recklessness all things considered.
I thought it was harsh before I saw the replay but I can't really defend it after. I would have given the red 10/10
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:19 pm to hendersonshands
quote:This.
I think Bayern was on their way to controlling the game
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:19 pm to hendersonshands
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Monreal was going to get taken to school by Götze and Robben regardless of whether there were 10 or 11 guys
I agree. The Gibbs injury was a turning point. Oh well, the other shite that happened.. Good match between two teams that play the way the game should be played. Hats off to Bayern.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:19 pm to crazy4lsu
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Of course not. I think there was an article in The Guardian about how Howard Webb has changed his refereeing style after the WC, to where he wants to affect the game as little as possible. In his case he tends to swallow the whistle a lot, which is thoroughly detrimental to the game as a whole.
That's interesting. I recall asking/commenting on the amount of fouls he let go in a match thread a while ago regarding a match he was officiating. It was eye opening for someone who had been watching mainly Serie A (where there's been an emphasis in the opposite direction since 2010/11) and La Liga.
I gathered that it was to "not interfere" but the football it promoted was ugly to say the least.
Worse, when he did give call fouls or give a yellow it seemed to legitimately generally confuse and enrage the players who'd earlier seen the same things go uncalled.
This post was edited on 2/19/14 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:20 pm to hendersonshands
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Robben's boot was high but he got to the ball
Does that matter when it comes to a high boot though?
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:22 pm to wm72
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I agree. The Gibbs injury was a turning point. Oh well, the other shite that happened.. Good match between two teams that play the way the game should be played. Hats off to Bayern.
Agree, excited for the return leg.
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I gathered that it was to "not interfere" but the football was ugly to say the least. Worse, when he did give call fouls or give a yellow it seemed to legitimately generally confuse and enrage the players who'd earlier seen the same things go uncalled.
The hardest part about being a ref is finding the balance between keeping the game from getting out of hand and not making it about yourself. That's what the really good refs do well.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:22 pm to wm72
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In his case he tends to swallow the whistle a lot, which is thoroughly detrimental to the game as a whole.
I just can't understand how people think letting teams play, to a reasonable standard, is a bad thing. Who the hell watches a game and thinks I wish there were more fouls being called? Especially knowing what we know about soccer players.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:22 pm to RandySavage
I think it does when you clearly get to the ball first with time for the defender to react.
This post was edited on 2/19/14 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:27 pm to RandySavage
I want textbook fouls to be called and punished appropriately. And I want the referee to be consistent. I don't think that's too much to ask.
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