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Transfer process/Transfer fees/Players salaries etc. for dummies
Posted on 8/5/13 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 8/5/13 at 2:07 pm
So being used to the NFL and NBA trades and signing bonuses I'm having a hard time figuring out how all this works in soccer.
I know there are transfer windows, so players can only transfer during those times. I also know that a player can "put in" for a transfer, if he wants to move teams but can also be transferred if he doesn't put in for one.
So say a team wants to buy a player from another team, lets use Rooney to Chelsea for now. Chelsea makes an offer of 25 million, is it up to Rooney or Man U to accept that or not? Does Rooney get that money or does it go to the club and the only money Rooney makes is his salary? or is it like a signing bonus?
I know there are transfer windows, so players can only transfer during those times. I also know that a player can "put in" for a transfer, if he wants to move teams but can also be transferred if he doesn't put in for one.
So say a team wants to buy a player from another team, lets use Rooney to Chelsea for now. Chelsea makes an offer of 25 million, is it up to Rooney or Man U to accept that or not? Does Rooney get that money or does it go to the club and the only money Rooney makes is his salary? or is it like a signing bonus?
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Posted on 8/5/13 at 2:08 pm to chickman1313
quote:The club gets the money. Rooney would get nothing but his new salary from Chelsea.
Does Rooney get that money or does it go to the club and the only money Rooney makes is his salary?
edit: I dont fully understand the "player reqeust" and how that works. Someone else can take that one for us.
This post was edited on 8/5/13 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 8/5/13 at 2:10 pm to The Mick
does Rooney have any say over being transferred or is it strictly up to the clubs?
Posted on 8/5/13 at 2:11 pm to chickman1313
Strictly up to the clubs. I dont think there is any 'no trade' clauses like in the NBA. (I could be wrong though..)
Posted on 8/5/13 at 2:13 pm to The Mick
so the players get nothing out of these record transfer fees other than a likely salary bump?
this is how I always thought it worked, but it just seems odd to me that the clubs really capitalize off of these fees and the players dont see any of it.
this is how I always thought it worked, but it just seems odd to me that the clubs really capitalize off of these fees and the players dont see any of it.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 2:17 pm to chickman1313
the way I understood it and could be completely wrong is that the player renegotiates his contract when sent to a new club. If an agreement can't be reached the player is sent back to the old club which is why most deals are worked out before the transfer ever takes place. Again, could be completely wrong.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 2:18 pm to chickman1313
The clubs own the players basically. If RM pays Totenham 100+MILL, Bale gets none of it. He just gets his salary at RM. Incredible numbers.
Its how a lot of smaller clubs survive. They grow talent through their academy teams and club and then are basically forced to sell anyone that breaks out because they cant afford not to. They need the money to operate.
Its how a lot of smaller clubs survive. They grow talent through their academy teams and club and then are basically forced to sell anyone that breaks out because they cant afford not to. They need the money to operate.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 2:20 pm to chickman1313
The player has to agree to a contract with the new team for the transfer to go through. They can deny transfers.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 2:21 pm to The Mick
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Bale gets none of it.
But he gets to renegotiate his contract and can base it off that insane transfer fee.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 2:22 pm to chickman1313
I'm almost positive that some of the info in this thread is wrong. Players get a 10% cut of the transfer fees, if I'm not mistaken.
Also, a team has to reach terms with both the selling team and the player. If the player wants to be difficult about the move, he can certainly not come to terms with a team playing in Dagestan or Qatar. Outside of the guys with no-trade clauses in the major US sports, guys have a bit more control in the European soccer process.
Also, a team has to reach terms with both the selling team and the player. If the player wants to be difficult about the move, he can certainly not come to terms with a team playing in Dagestan or Qatar. Outside of the guys with no-trade clauses in the major US sports, guys have a bit more control in the European soccer process.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 2:23 pm to Alabama Slim
quote:Agreed.
But he gets to renegotiate his contract and can base it off that insane transfer fee.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 2:26 pm to Keys Open Doors
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I'm almost positive that some of the info in this thread is wrong. Players get a 10% cut of the transfer fees, if I'm not mistaken.
This is often the case, but it's not set in stone that all contracts have this clause. This is usually negotiated in the current contract. Thus, it is often in the agent's best interest to have his client transfer frequently.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 2:29 pm to chickman1313
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does Rooney have any say over being transferred or is it strictly up to the clubs?
The only say Rooney has is whether or not he signs with the new club. The player can deny any transfer. Rooney can stay with ManU if he wants. The only question is, do you want to stay with a club that is trying to sell you?
Posted on 8/5/13 at 9:07 pm to pvilleguru
The other factor in here is the player's contract with his current club.
A player with a 3 year contract at club X may be harder to buy for another club than if he only had 1 year left on his contract. When a player's contract is up, he can "transfer" for free, so a player has a lot of leverage when he turns into that last year.
A player with a 3 year contract at club X may be harder to buy for another club than if he only had 1 year left on his contract. When a player's contract is up, he can "transfer" for free, so a player has a lot of leverage when he turns into that last year.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 9:16 pm to chickman1313
It's a trade just like here, except instead of just players being exchanged money is the main thing that is exchanged. Players can be tacked onto the deal as well.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 10:43 pm to Tigerstark
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A player with a 3 year contract at club X may be harder to buy for another club than if he only had 1 year left on his contract. When a player's contract is up, he can "transfer" for free, so a player has a lot of leverage when he turns into that last year.
This is also what's often misunderstood about transfer fees. The amount of the transfer fee also reflects the length of the player's contract more than simply being a estimate of their actual "value".
Another point that confuses things is that players have all different kinds of clauses in their contracts.
Most top players have a buyout clause at a certain figure if and another club he wants to sign with meets that price then then his club has little choice in the matter (Gotze to Bayern for example).
It's also why fans love the demonstrations of loyalty in certain players contracts (De Rossi re-upping with Roma last summer with no buyout clause meaning it's totally up to the club whether he is sold) or appreciation (Cavani re-upping with Napoli with the staggering €63 mil buyout meaning Napoli gets a huge payday if he leaves).
This post was edited on 8/5/13 at 10:46 pm
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