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re: The Mou and Pep Show, 1st installment, Santiago Bernabeu
Posted on 4/28/11 at 9:24 am to glassman
Posted on 4/28/11 at 9:24 am to glassman
What really pisses me off, especially after seeing that GIF, is that a singular dive by Eduardo in CL qualifying launched a fricking UEFA taskforce/witchhunt. Yesterday, which was filled with dives from 2 of football's marquee clubs in the semi-final, will cause no response.
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Posted on 4/28/11 at 9:33 am to Friend of OBUDan
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is that a singular dive by Eduardo in CL qualifying launched a fricking UEFA taskforce/witchhunt.
a fair point, but the difference is that Eduardo's dive was more consequential because it produced a goal.
still, for the millionth time: FIFA, show some gall darn consistency, please
Posted on 4/28/11 at 9:33 am to Friend of OBUDan
That match more than any other one reaffirmed my belief that UEFA, the FA, etc, need to rewatch every game and fine douches that dive, beg for cards, etc. That is the only way the sport will be able to clean itself up. It is understandable for a ref to not be able to determine if it was a dive or not with the pace of the game and how players react. But it is clear on replays the Di Maria was diving all night on the wing, Alvez was perfectly fine, and Busquets faked getting hit in the face 4 times. And so the governing body should lay the smack down on players/teams pocketbooks just like the NFL has started to do.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 9:36 am to Fratastic423
Also, to everyone saying that Barca and Madrid are always guilty of diving?
I don't think you watch them very often, do you?
eta: with the exceptions of Ronaldo and Busquets, who are consistent offenders. collectively the squads are as 'bad about it' as any other club, imo.
I don't think you watch them very often, do you?
eta: with the exceptions of Ronaldo and Busquets, who are consistent offenders. collectively the squads are as 'bad about it' as any other club, imo.
This post was edited on 4/28/11 at 9:38 am
Posted on 4/28/11 at 9:39 am to Leauxgan
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Also, to everyone saying that Barca and Madrid are always guilty of diving?
I don't think you watch them very often, do you?
eta: with the exceptions of Ronaldo and Busquets, who are consistent offenders.
I don't know dude. Obviously it was enhanced last night but I have always thought that Alves and Pedro do that shite all the time. Typically though it is never that bad but its not like they never play like that.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 9:44 am to Fratastic423
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Obviously it was enhanced last night but I have always thought that Alves and Pedro do that shite all the time.
I've watched my fair share of both teams. Alves' unlikeable factor is enhanced by several dimensions, not just diving, which I think maybe is perceived as more frequent just because he's a bitch. Maybe tigerking or tsi can correct me with a more objective assessment.
I just think that diving, soft fouls, and ref crowding happen all the time. Unfortunately it's a strategy that works.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 9:45 am to Leauxgan
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I just think that diving, soft fouls, and ref crowding happen all the time. Unfortunately it's a strategy that works.
I agree with this totally. And I think this is a big reason that European soccer is not more popular in the US. People see that as part of the game and it shouldn't be.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 10:10 am to Leauxgan
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I've watched my fair share of both teams. Alves' unlikeable factor is enhanced by several dimensions, not just diving, which I think maybe is perceived as more frequent just because he's a bitch. Maybe tigerking or tsi can correct me with a more objective assessment.
I just think that diving, soft fouls, and ref crowding happen all the time. Unfortunately it's a strategy that works.
People hate Alves, and maybe rightfully so, but that wasn't a dive yesterday.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 10:22 am to uway
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People hate Alves, and maybe rightfully so, but that wasn't a dive yesterday.
That wasn't a red card either.
I thought Pepe was sent off for the second of two yellows at first.
Yellow, not even orange. Yellow, yellow.
This post was edited on 4/28/11 at 10:24 am
Posted on 4/28/11 at 10:23 am to Leauxgan
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eta: with the exceptions of Ronaldo and Busquets, who are consistent offenders. collectively the squads are as 'bad about it' as any other club, imo.
I think that both have the potential to be fun to watch if they do not play each other. Take a game against another La Liga team, Barca can pass with a surgeon's precision, pick apart defensive schemes, and play a beautiful game. On the other hand, Madrid can also be a lot of fun to watch with their speed and size up front (size, at least compared to Barca up front). It is just a shame that El Clasico was a bunch of El bullshite.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 10:24 am to uway
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but that wasn't a dive yesterday.
No just a huge embellishment and faking of an injury. It was a blatant attempt to get Pepe sent off. And it worked.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:04 am to glassman
I mean, really...are we defending Pepe, here? Are we saying that Pepe is innnocent? Mourinho is clearly the magician here. He has 3/4 of the footballing world out there defending a guy who has made a career skating the line between yellow and red cards. When you go out there to defend against a team who dominate possession, you have to expect your players will pick up a card or two. In the second half of a high stakes, high pressure game, your players are tired and frustrated because they haven't seen the ball for an hour. Pepe doesn't control his tackle like he should and the ref pulls a red. Really, is anyone that surprised? This is a conspiracy? No, it's Pepe doing what Pepe does. The fact that Alves does three rolls on the ground instead of two or that the players surround the ref- that is all show. The ref pulls a card there no matter what. Mourinho was perhaps unlucky, but it was surely him who made the gamble in the first place.
This post was edited on 4/28/11 at 11:05 am
Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:08 am to uway
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I've watched my fair share of both teams. Alves' unlikeable factor is enhanced by several dimensions, not just diving, which I think maybe is perceived as more frequent just because he's a bitch. Maybe tigerking or tsi can correct me with a more objective assessment.
Nah I just think that peoples frustration with Alves has built up and people are tired of his antics, hell even I am. That being said I think if it would have been another player, they wouldn't have rolled and milked it for all it was worth. It was just simply worse because it was alves on the other end of the tackle.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:08 am to glassman
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No just a huge embellishment and faking of an injury. It was a blatant attempt to get Pepe sent off. And it worked.
Does no blame go to Pepe for putting himself in that situation?
Again, Alves's rolling was embellished, but the initial spinning was physics from Pepe's kick to his leg.
It's not like Alves was looking to get fouled. They both made an honest attempt at the ball, but Dani kicked it and Pepe kicked him.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:17 am to uway
Exactly, you go in with studs up and you don't really leave much for the ref to think about.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:18 am to uway
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Does no blame go to Pepe for putting himself in that situation?
It was certainly a foul and IMO a cardable offense. Yellow, not red. The problem is Alves goes off on a stretcher and less than two minutes later is running like a deer down the wing. He acted like he was hurt worse than he was to try and get a harsher call from the ref. It worked, I just hate that type of tactic.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:25 am to glassman
Yeah thats a disgrace. If I was a Real supporter, you know that something bad is gunna happen, with your studs up going into Alves. Alves really does need to stop though. UEFA needs to have a word with him/fine him
Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:28 am to Leauxgan
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the difference is that Eduardo's dive was more consequential because it produced a goal.
I see what you're saying, but I slightly disagree. I think a PK and a red card are comparable punishments (the exception being in late game situations). While we all agree Pepe deserved a yellow in that incident,the whole red card ordeal was indicative of 2 other big issues soccer needs to curtail, crowding the ref begging for a card and play-acting that the foul injured you far more than it did. And yes, I know Arsenal crowd the ref as much as anyone and asks for cards and it pisses me off like no other.
I think handing out a yellow to any player who rushes the ref after a foul, outside of the captain, would be an easy way to curtail that practice.
The exaggerating injury part would be much tougher to do because in some cases I understand that guys are taken off as a precaution then can come back on and play.
Also, anyone see Real Madrid's website? Posted an extremely petty 2 minute video documenting Busquets, Pedro, and Alves' incidents...
Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:41 am to glassman
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It was certainly a foul and IMO a cardable offense. Yellow, not red. The problem is Alves goes off on a stretcher and less than two minutes later is running like a deer down the wing. He acted like he was hurt worse than he was to try and get a harsher call from the ref. It worked, I just hate that type of tactic.
100% agree with all of that
Plus the crowding the ref deal does make Barca look bad. The only way I could defend that is by saying they are reacting to what they perceive as being bullied, but that's just conjecture. Maybe they really are just trying to win with dirty tactics.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:48 am to uway
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Maybe they really are just trying to win with dirty tactics.
I think they recognize that it works, which is why I think so many fans have a problem with it. You have two teams that COULD produce some of the most exciting and beautiful football anywhere, however they resort to being little bitches about everything and ruin the game.
To be honest, when the Alves play happened I actually didnt think it was a foul. I though he and Pepe got the ball at the same time, hence why the ball went no where. I think the rolling around faking an injury and crowding the ref brought the call and the card. I know people will disagree with me and call me blind but that was my impression of it.
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