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Spin-Off from the Sunderland points deduction thread
Posted on 5/4/14 at 2:33 am
Posted on 5/4/14 at 2:33 am
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Is this sarcasm or is this actually the English football fans frame of thought? I've noticed this before. I've wondered if it's just an English thing, or if a Spanish, German, Italian, etc fan has similar feelings regarding the degree of hatred of that fan's rival club(s).
Would a typical European fan honestly prefer the humiliation of one of his club's rivals, if it contributes to the rivals relegation, for example, rather than potential success of his own club?
As an American and huge American sports fan, as well as European soccer, this seems like a foreign concept to me. Looking for a little insight from you guys who have spent time over there or maybe understand that mentality. Cheers queers.
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Yeah, uh, English football fans do not care if annual rivalry matches aren't played due to the opposition getting relegated.
Is this sarcasm or is this actually the English football fans frame of thought? I've noticed this before. I've wondered if it's just an English thing, or if a Spanish, German, Italian, etc fan has similar feelings regarding the degree of hatred of that fan's rival club(s).
Would a typical European fan honestly prefer the humiliation of one of his club's rivals, if it contributes to the rivals relegation, for example, rather than potential success of his own club?
As an American and huge American sports fan, as well as European soccer, this seems like a foreign concept to me. Looking for a little insight from you guys who have spent time over there or maybe understand that mentality. Cheers queers.
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Posted on 5/4/14 at 3:56 am to mynamebowl
If Manchester United were relegated to the Championship, I would shed a tear of joy. I look forward to the matches between LFC and MUFC every season, but seeing them outside of the top tier in England would be worth several doubles over them. Beating a team gives you several months worth of bragging rights; having your rival relegated provides the ammunition for a lifetime of humiliating banter.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 8:17 am to mynamebowl
Yeah, teams like Manchester United, Chelsea, etc. actually have a few hated rivalries in the lower divisions. They really don't care that they rarely get to play those clubs either. They'd prefer them just stay down rather than play them annually.
This post was edited on 5/4/14 at 8:26 am
Posted on 5/4/14 at 8:57 pm to AirRaidTT
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Teams like Manchester United
United has this relationship with Leeds. I never hear any overly nostalgic United fans pushing for Leeds to get promoted again.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 9:28 pm to PeepleHeppinBidness
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United has this relationship with Leeds. I never hear any overly nostalgic United fans pushing for Leeds to get promoted again.
Great example.
I have an Aussie friend who is a diehard Leeds fan and it seems neither side wants anything to do with the other despite the history between the two sides. United definitely feels no sympathy for Leeds.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 11:11 pm to mynamebowl
I don't think there are many that would prefer a rival's failure instead of their own success.
However, the hatred of rivals is certainly deep enough that most could care less if a derby isn't played due to the rival being relegated.
Maybe you could compare it to college football in the south where a lot of fans actually wish other programs would get the "death penalty".
There's probably a higher percentage of European fans that share those sentiments.
Another thing that's slightly different from American sports may be that few Italian fans want other big Italian clubs to win in Europe unless it's maybe a smaller club on a miracle run. .
Not sure the English and Spanish feel as strongly about that though.
However, the hatred of rivals is certainly deep enough that most could care less if a derby isn't played due to the rival being relegated.
Maybe you could compare it to college football in the south where a lot of fans actually wish other programs would get the "death penalty".
There's probably a higher percentage of European fans that share those sentiments.
Another thing that's slightly different from American sports may be that few Italian fans want other big Italian clubs to win in Europe unless it's maybe a smaller club on a miracle run. .
Not sure the English and Spanish feel as strongly about that though.
This post was edited on 5/4/14 at 11:43 pm
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