re: Sir Alex Ferguson to retire at season's end

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good. overated anyway. just exepensive players to make up his time as a "winner". Just like coaching the yankees.

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o you are one of those guys, look up some #'s before posting bullshite.

I just noticed that around noon too

Chicken Thread. Let him know how you feel about it

Now I can use these all the time!!!


EDIT: Also, just so everyone knows, you can upvote yourself. At least I can be assured I will have at least 1 upvote on ALL of my posts.

This is probably some of the greatest news I've ever heard. I've been waiting for SAF to move on for years (I actually thought he'd manage until his mid-70's) because with him, UTD were truly something special. I hate that man. He bullied the media, intimidated referees, and manipulated the very association in charge of the sport in England. I despise everything about him and the manner in which he was feared and given preferential treatment was disgusting...but I respect the man. I respect him as a manager and for his accomplishments and can say with certainty that we will never witness, in our lifetime, another manager match his success in the premiership.

Having said that, any realistic UTD supporter (I'm talking to the 3 of you out there) that doesn't envision a noticeable decline in the success at MUFC with the loss of one of the greatest managers in the history of the game is truly deluded. I admire Moyes as a manger and really respect the job he's done at Goodison, but nothing can prepare someone for what he its walking in to. IF the club give DM several years to acclimate to the position and the stresses and expectations that come with it, he may one day resemble the shadow that SAF cast over that position. United's run in the league is over (at least the way we've all known it). With Fergie, United were one of the elite clubs in the world. Without him, they are just another top 5 side in England for the time being.

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With Fergie, United were one of the elite clubs in the world. Without him, they are just another top 5 side in England for the time being.

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This would have been true 10-15 years ago. Now, ManU are a global brand and benefit from the funds that come with that. Chelsea, City, and PSG have all shown us that you can buy trophies and ManU will not be wanting for funds. SAF may have been polarizing and intimidating, but he was not the sole reason for success. The players still had to perform, which they did, and injuries still had to be avoided, which they were.

Moyes is a different dynamic, but ManU will continue to be who they are. Unless they go down the same slippery slope Liverpool did, but that has very little chance of happening with the amount of exposer the club gets and the revenue generated from that.

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This is probably some of the greatest news I've ever heard. I've been waiting for SAF to move on for years (I actually thought he'd manage until his mid-70's) because with him, UTD were truly something special. I hate that man. He bullied the media, intimidated referees, and manipulated the very association in charge of the sport in England. I despise everything about him and the manner in which he was feared and given preferential treatment was disgusting...but I respect the man. I respect him as a manager and for his accomplishments and can say with certainty that we will never witness, in our lifetime, another manager match his success in the premiership.

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Ok, we're good here...

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Having said that, any realistic UTD supporter (I'm talking to the 3 of you out there)

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Here we go...

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that doesn't envision a noticeable decline in the success at MUFC with the loss of one of the greatest managers in the history of the game is truly deluded.

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Noticeable decline, like we won't be the league favorites every year for the first few years? Yeah, I can see that. Drop out of the top four? Can't really see how.

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I admire Moyes as a manger and really respect the job he's done at Goodison, but nothing can prepare someone for what he its walking in to. IF the club give DM several years to acclimate to the position and the stresses and expectations that come with it, he may one day resemble the shadow that SAF cast over that position.

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I think a six-year deal shows the commitment United is wiling to make with Moyes.

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United's run in the league is over (at least the way we've all known it). With Fergie, United were one of the elite clubs in the world.

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Eh, the lack of European success in recent years was troubling. As someone said earlier, United won their two Champions League titles under SAF on a miracle comeback and a penalty kick shootout.

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Without him, they are just another top 5 side in England for the time being.

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Again, don't see how this change is going to make us worse than average in Europe (which we've been recently), but I'll take being a title contender.

I guess your point is United is not going to be the favorite for the EPL title for the next couple of seasons or however long it takes Moyes to get used to the environment at United.

But even if SAF was going to be here for the next few years, City and Chelsea were always going to be major contenders.

ETA: Like someone said above me, United would have to fall like Liverpool and stay down for this to happen. Too much money from being the most popular/now second-most valuable sporting franchise on the planet. I'm willing to take a year or two of being third or fourth if that means Moyes can get on a SAF-like run.

FFP is a whole other factor that deserves it's own thread. But you're right, they shouldn't have any concerns in that area. Listen, I'm not condemning UTD to the bottom half of the table by any means. They still have amazing players and a deep roster. Fergie isn't going anywhere, he's still going to be very involved. But, I get the sense that a lot of people have a feeling that there will be some smooth "transition period" from SAF to Moyes. There are numerous traits about DM that make him seem like he fits as Fergie's successor, but the truth is he is now (well as of July 1st) in a position for which there is no proper training. There are only a handful of elite managers in the world for a reason. There is a strong likelihood that Moyes will not achieve that level ever in his career, much less right away. There will come a point when Manchester United are looking up the table at the likes of Tottenham, Newcastle, Everton, etc. and that's when people will truly appreciate what Alex Ferguson meant to MUFC.

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There will come a point when Manchester United are looking up the table at the likes of Tottenham, Newcastle, Everton, etc

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Completely lost you right there buddy.

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the likelihood is that he won't be successful (certainly not on the same level as SAF) and if Moyes is still there in 5 years it will be against all odds.

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well our board is not like others that will pull the trigger fast unless we see some 5th and below finishes