re: PuLiSiC iS nOt tHaT gOoD

This is what they get for not playing Dest

If there was ever the term make up call, that was it

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McCaig and a few others picked up the slack in that "Pulisic is broken" thread a couple of weeks ago.

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I never said he was broken, I said he was overrated and he is lol.

I’ll gladly admit I’m wrong for this one should he become a top player in his position.

A couple of years ago, there were people on this board saying he was the best young player in the world behind mbappe.. he was def overhyped at one point...

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I wouldn’t put him in the top 10 of players 21 and under

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Who are your top ten? There are relatively few players his age who have 140 first-team appearances at 21. He's probably in the top 20 by virtue of first-team appearances alone.

Wan Bissaka is a top ten player under 21? What the frick?

I don't agree with Vinicius either, as his production hasn't even reached Pulisic's level when Pulisic was 19. If Pulisic wasn't top ten at 19, despite being top five in Europe in completed dribbles (only Neymar, Messi and a few others were higher than him) than I have no clue why you would include Vinicius, who hasn't been all that great this season. Jovic has been bad too, but at least he has pedigree elsewhere. How many games of Vinicius have you watched? That pick in particular seems like its based on hype and hype alone.

My top ten would include Achraf Hakimi, who is going to be one of the best fullbacks in the world one day. He's seriously amazing. Guendouzi has been fantastic this season too after breaking through last season. I don't know how any list can leave out Houssem Aouar either. There are a bunch of promising teenagers making their breakthroughs this season too, like Sandro Tonali from Brescia, who seems to be an all-action midfielder who could easily progress to the bigger Italian teams. Lisandro Martinez doesn't look out of place at all with Ajax, and has performed really well. I don't know if I would include those last two in the top ten though, but Martinez could easily slot into any of the bigger teams in Europe. I'm missing a lot of promising players too, like Haaland, Saku, Kamara, and others. Also would include Kai Havertz in the top ten. Callum Hudson-Odoi as a promising player. As is Martinelli. So many I'm forgetting.

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Okay?

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You realize that making first-team appearances is how you judge players, by virtue of how they perform on the field. In one game, Pulisic's hat-trick has matched Vinicius's entire production at Madrid and yet I'm supposed to believe that Vinicius is a top ten player? That doesn't make any sense. Vinicius is promising as all hell, but he's mostly a dribbler without much end product. He's only created 6 chances all season, and has 1 assist to match it. In 170 more minutes, Pulisic has created 13. By their actual play on the field, Pulisic has performed better this season, and over the course of his career. Vinicius has just started, and could obviously exceed Pulisic, but again I don't see how someone can say Vinicius is a top 10 u21 player and then exclude Pulisic. Based on what exactly?

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I was just saying “okay”

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Yeah that was a retarded response.

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Because I said , he’s not top 10
And you said he’s top 20

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I said he's top 20, at the minimum, by virtue of the amount of appearances he's had, which is a crazy amount for a U21 player. Again, not many teenagers get that many first-team appearances, especially not on top-flight teams that are competing in the CL. You can argue that Pulisic isn't top ten, certainly, but including Vinicius on a top ten list and then excluding Pulisic is retarded, because like I've pointed out, Pulisic's production is much higher than Vinicius.

Hakimi deserves to be on the list more than Wan Bissaka and Vinicius. So does Kai Havertz for that matter.

Hakimi is amazing. Dembélé is 22. I think Pulisic is at least in the top 15 of U21 players.

I think these 8 deserve to be in the top 10:
Hakimi
Havertz
Sancho
Mbappe
De Ligt
Haaland
Donnarumma
TAA