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Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:07 pm to
Posted by Girth Donor
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:07 pm to
I agree we are not good enough at this time but if the supporters start to settle for anything less than challenging for silverware then the club can continue towards this rut we are in. It is tough enough to get back to the upper echelon when FSG wants to buy youth for cheaper than already established players.

Posted by SetTheMood
The Red Stick
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:13 pm to
Wage question. We'll be getting rid of both Stevie and Glen Johnson's inflated weekly wage. Do you think LFC goes out and spends money on high quality players who justify those kind of wages, or will it be more like last summer, where we spread out our signing with several 15-20 mil signings?
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
22534 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:21 pm to
I think like last summer, but they need to be more seasoned... kinda like the SOTON players, but of higher quality..

We cant afford to buy projects... but we arent going to buy any super stars either.
Posted by Girth Donor
Member since Apr 2011
3908 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:21 pm to
I think we have enough squad players. We need players that can come into the starting 11. Problem is the price and probably no CL to attract the top top quality player. Until I see differently, I think FSG will continue with the youth policy.
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
22534 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:34 pm to
yeah, I def meant players that can come in and compete for a starting spot. Like Lallana and Lovren were given every chance to do.. Even Balotelli (though you can argue about his chances). Lambert is what it is, but very low risk money wise..

Markovic, Can, Manquillo, Origi, IMO, were all bought for the future... to a lesser extent, so was Moreno..

I just think we're dreaming if we think we're getting the Reus' of the world who can come in and walk right in to the first eleven..
Posted by Tigerstark
Parts unknown
Member since Aug 2011
6215 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:50 pm to
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just think we're dreaming if we think we're getting the Reus' of the world who can come in and walk right in to the first eleven..


We were close for Sanchez last year and may have locked it up save for a wage issue.

Sad to say but at multiple positions it would take a step or even two below a Reus to be an improvement and instant starter. I think we can find that caliber of player and convince one or two to join us.

What's held us back the last few years has really been wages. Costa two years ago and Sanchez last year. We need to pony up for a big boy at some point.
Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
9091 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 4:06 pm to
You guys are probably right about Suarez. Picking up soccer last February may not have been enough time for me to evaluate his game overall as I was still learning the intricacies.

Right after I went balls to the wall for soccer and Liverpool specifically was when the Stevie slip happened. After that, Suarez seemed pretty lazy to me, but again, maybe that is just me missing it in the number of negatives to close the year despite a top 4 finish.

As for the big signing for this summer, I am 100% on board no matter the cost. GOT to have a real difference maker.
Posted by Girth Donor
Member since Apr 2011
3908 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 4:19 pm to
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maybe that is just me missing it in the number of negatives to close the year despite a top 4 finish.


That is probably it. Suarez has a pretty high work rate. Not as high as Dirk Kuyt was (not many players can match him), but pretty damn good. It made our pressing game work so well as it has to start from the top.
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
22534 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 4:21 pm to
Im not convinced on wages, though I agree it is the overall strategy to buy young and let them earn their wages...

I mean, we could have given Sanchez, Suarez's wages if we wanted to.. the money is there (to a degree.. we cant have multiple players on 200k/wk)... and I guarantee we can pay more than AM (Costa).. In my opinion, those guys werent 100% convinced in the BR project..

We were looking into Falcao hard last summer, which we wouldnt even consider if wages are an issue...

Of couse, this is all just my opinion...


This post was edited on 3/24/15 at 4:25 pm
Posted by BleedPurpleGold
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2005
18943 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 5:00 pm to
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supporters start to settle for anything less than challenging for silverware then the club can continue towards this rut we are in.


I'm not settling for anything less. I'm being realistic. Its amazing that we lured a player of Sakho's caliber to this team. It will be just as amazing to get Varane. That has zero to do with my opinion of the club and everything to do with those players' opinions of the club.
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
22534 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 5:12 pm to
yeah, I think Varane is a pipe dream with the clubs that would be after him...

I'm just thinking IF Madrid want Sterling bad enough, maybe... and maybe Sakho can convince him to partner him... these things never come off though..

Posted by Girth Donor
Member since Apr 2011
3908 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 5:20 pm to
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Its amazing that we lured a player of Sakho's caliber to this team


If I remember correctly he was out of favor for a while at PSG and the fans were riding him pretty hard. I agree we have to be realistic about the current state. Since the squad depth is pretty good the next transfer window will show what the ambition level is IMO.
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
22534 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 5:31 pm to
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If I remember correctly he was out of favor for a while at PSG and the fans were riding him pretty hard


That's the summer they signed Silva as first choice LCB and Sakho wanted to play first team football... They wanted him to stay, but I think he saw the writing on the wall, that they were taking the "Galactico" policy at PSG..

They may have signed Marquinhos that year too, to be groomed behind Alex as the RCB... Since then, they have added Luiz too... Sakho probably made the right decision.

He was their captain at one point and homegrown...
This post was edited on 3/24/15 at 5:32 pm
Posted by JackVincennes
NOLA
Member since Jan 2014
3984 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 7:58 pm to
Ok, I think I have calmed down enough to think rationally. I like where our club is with our depth and youth thanks in no small part to last year's window. I'm going to repeat myself (are you listening Byrdman?), we need to get a pure striker for Stu to play off like SAS last year. I am fully aware that Luis Suarez isn't walking through that door but we can definitely go after a quality striker that can play alongside Stu. I'm sure you are hearing the Falcao loan rumors and get ready for a hell of a lot of those in the near future. I think we swung and missed last year regarding striker's and it just hasn't worked out. I would have liked to see Balo get a chance to play with Stu more consistently and the Remy thing was strange but what's done is done. I am still holding out hope for a strong finish and let's see if somebody slips up and lets us back in, we're only 5 back. I see a Dirk Kuyt mention......Chelsea PK's 07 to the Finals. My God, I thought the old place was going to collapse that night!
Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
9091 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:31 pm to
So I have a question for you and the frequents in this thread, bud...

Am I the only one that thinks we SHOULD NOT go back to a 4 man back line? I feel like we need better midfielders, or at least to decide who our constant starters are, before we start to dream big about more strikers. (I know, this contradicts my previous post on the matter.)

My thinking revolves around the fact that Lucas, Allen, Lallana, and even Hendo have had terrible lapses in quality play, although they have also had flashes of brilliance. For the rest of this season, I'd roll with a 3-4-1-2 formation. Give Balo and Studge a chance as a striking pair.

You guys are gonna get sick of me saying this.

Solidify the midfield, get some solid passers that the opposing mids/backs MUST respect, and give the strikers we have a chance for success. A top three of Coutinho, Studge, and Balo could wreak havoc if they had a CONSISTENT midfield behind them.

Can, Skrtel, and Sakho have been the only constants this year, and even though it is a breath of fresh air, we have seemingly traded one extreme for another. Sterling has been incredibly underwhelming, and Can is just a wrecking ball anywhere other than CB. Keep Ibe as a mid, keep Hendo. (I think Hendo plays to the level that the guys around him are playing to.)

Decide if Lucas or Allen are gonna be the one we rely on, stick your foot in the ground as a "managing group", and don't leave any questions of whether or not you plan on moving forward. I understand we are a young side, but we are a successful veteran or two away from being as good as Chelsea.

All just my opinion, but I hate seeing a team that looks like it is unsure of its next step as far as futures are concerned.
Posted by TheZaba
FL
Member since Oct 2008
6188 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:39 pm to
I think it's at big tactical discussion. I kinda talked a little about my thoughts before the game, but for me the short answer is our midfielders are getting run off the pitch since everyone's more prepared to deal with our new formation. Packing the midfield helps us control the game better.
Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
9091 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 9:14 pm to
I'm down with that line of thinking. I am pretty sure I mentioned it before in this thread, although I'm not sure where... the 3-5-2 is a formation I also have interest in seeing from our guys. If you can dominate the midfield, you win a lot of games even with average strikers.

Again though, even having numbers in the midfield won't work if all of those guys are streaky and inconsistent with their play.
Posted by STLhog
Nashville, TN
Member since Jan 2015
17759 posts
Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:54 am to
Sterling to Madrid is highly unlikely.

Especially if Bale's abuse continues. Plus he's been in shite form, I highly doubt they'd come in with an offer we'd seriously consider.
Posted by JackVincennes
NOLA
Member since Jan 2014
3984 posts
Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:29 pm to
Yo Byrd, are you relocating to your next duty station or going home? I drove from NOLA to Camp Pendleton a few times back in the day and you can have that brother. Just checking to see how your settling in, you guys on this thread are my lifeblood, I have very few people that know what Anfield is so I like to make sure my guys are good to go on here.
Posted by BleedPurpleGold
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2005
18943 posts
Posted on 3/25/15 at 11:32 pm to
quote:

Chelsea PK's 07 to the Finals. My God, I thought the old place was going to collapse that night!


I've literally never seen Anfield anything remotely like that night. There was one shot right after Kurt scores where Pepe is running straight down the sidelines with his hands up and in the background its absolute pandemonium. It wasn't even in front of the Kop. We're talking families and old people on each other shoulders, throwing drinks all over each other, totally losing their minds.

I bet we could find it on YouTube if we looked hard enough. Coolest fan reaction I've ever seen.
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