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re: OFFICIAL LFC 16/17 Season Long Thread - Piss off, Gunners!!
Posted on 6/9/17 at 12:22 pm to JackVincennes
Posted on 6/9/17 at 12:22 pm to JackVincennes
I think FSG came in thinking that they could apply their lean methodologies and that moneyball would translate easily to footie. They definitely underestimated the task at hand and what is expected of LFC. They got stung at the very beginning with the Damien Comolli debacle and have been reticent since then to hire a DOF. Ideally what we need is a Watzke at the helm. We've hired a top drawer coach, should've gone balls to the walls for someone like Monchi instead of promoting a stats man from within (Mike Edwards).
Stats are like bikinis they show more than they hide but what they hide is the real shite. We need a top dog that understands that bit of football management that you get when you've been wheeling and dealing at the very top of European football for a while. Pay that man what he wants and task him to get the club back on its perch in 5 years. Mind you, it wouldn't come to this if it weren't for the boot room falling apart after Hillsborough and David Moores' lethargy in moving the club forward in the late 90s and 2000s when the bloody Mancs, of all people, stole a march on us.
Stats are like bikinis they show more than they hide but what they hide is the real shite. We need a top dog that understands that bit of football management that you get when you've been wheeling and dealing at the very top of European football for a while. Pay that man what he wants and task him to get the club back on its perch in 5 years. Mind you, it wouldn't come to this if it weren't for the boot room falling apart after Hillsborough and David Moores' lethargy in moving the club forward in the late 90s and 2000s when the bloody Mancs, of all people, stole a march on us.
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Posted on 6/9/17 at 1:14 pm to WeOnlyHateMancs
I have been following the club 24/7 since the beginning of 2005 so I am a rookie compared to a lot of you guys on here. My waning interest in the NFL (except the Saints) and the NBA which was cemented this year with the inexplicable Durant move have made me spend my precious and too little free time on LFC and LSU. I think it is an exciting time to be a Red but you hit the nail on the head that FSG thinks the Moneyball BS works on this stage. I just wish we had owners who understood the landscape and who could give our manager what he needs to succeed. I am still holding out hope that FSG either commits what is needed or sell and make a nice chunk of change. One of those two scenarios need to happen soon.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 1:51 pm to JackVincennes
Salah's agent hinting on twitter that the deal with LFC may not go through, citing that it is taking too long. Shocking
Posted on 6/9/17 at 2:27 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
I don't see other teams pounding down Roma's doors offering mega-fees for their players.
Supposedly they need a money influx soon to balance their books. Liverpool has the leverage here.
Supposedly they need a money influx soon to balance their books. Liverpool has the leverage here.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 3:15 pm to beatbammer
If saw that "good things come to those that don't take too long" stuff. I think we are just playing the game right now with Salah and not blinking. I am going to think positive here but we need to get our ducks in a row. This summer is a monstrous window for us, we can either take a giant step forward back into Europe and truly threatening next year in the league or we can attempt to hang on to a Top 4 finish next year. I feel like we are a really productive window this summer away from being a serious contender on multiple fronts.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 3:39 pm to JackVincennes
I agree.
I'm also looking forward to it starting to get productive.
I'm also looking forward to it starting to get productive.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 5:30 pm to beatbammer
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I don't see other teams pounding down Roma's doors offering mega-fees for their players.
Supposedly they need a money influx soon to balance their books. Liverpool has the leverage here.
Clubs actually are kind of beating the door for Rudiger and Paredes. Both of which could be sold this summer regardless.
Inter have already made a bid that meets Roma's price that could be accepted if they don't get what they want for Salah.
Also, Roma has been in good standing with FFP so the likely penalty for not meeting the end of June balance would simply be a reduced CL roster (like City etc had a few years back and Roma decided to do two years ago instead of sell cheaply.)
I think Roma prefers to deal Salah to Liverpool out of all the options but it may be a bit overstated to say they are desperate to sell Salah specifically.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 5:55 pm to wm72
I hear you bb! Like I said I am trying to stay positive.........I'm really trying.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 6:04 pm to JackVincennes
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I hear you bb! Like I said I am trying to stay positive.........I'm really trying.
Yeah, I think it's fairly likely the Salah / Liverpool deal happens.
I think it's what Roma prefer but if the rumored difference is €45m asking and €30m offer that is a wide difference.
United seemingly just offered Inter €40m (which was rejected) for Perisic who's three years older and has not been as good.
Even though United always overpay, I'm not sure Monchi wants his first Roma move to be announcing selling Salah for much less than that.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 6:21 pm to wm72
I'm thinking the deal may get done for around £35mm if it happens... good deal for all involved IMO...
Posted on 6/9/17 at 6:22 pm to wm72
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I think it's what Roma prefer but if the rumored difference is €45m asking and €30m offer that is a wide difference.
I read on multiple sites that Liverpool had offered 35M *pounds* and not euros.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 6:28 pm to beatbammer
What's the conversion rate?
Posted on 6/9/17 at 6:55 pm to wm72
This is completely my opinion. But it is based on what I've seen happen with Liverpool transfers in recent years. Someone at the club has a formula they are mighty proud of. They plug in the various variables and come up with a number. If I had to guess; probably includes age, league the player is from, record, amortization schedule etc. And once they have a number the club bids and rarely budges from it's valuation of the player.
I'd hazard a guess that this is why we frequently hear in the media Liverpool trying to renegotiate terms last minute. It might just be the club trying to adjust payment schedules to adjust amortization and meet whatever model they have in house while paying more than whatever their base valuation for the player was.
I'd hazard a guess that this is why we frequently hear in the media Liverpool trying to renegotiate terms last minute. It might just be the club trying to adjust payment schedules to adjust amortization and meet whatever model they have in house while paying more than whatever their base valuation for the player was.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 10:03 pm to beatbammer
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read on multiple sites that Liverpool had offered 35M *pounds* and not euros.
That's pretty close to asking price. €30m was the offer I've seen the Roma media reporting. Like TFTC says above I'd imagine £35m gets the deal done. (Unless the recent English elections have made that €3Om at the moment. ??)
The problem could easily be the payment schedule ss mentioned above since Roma mainly need cash infusion immediately due to FFP and with Champions League can spend freely after July 1st
By the way, my obsession with Roma is such that I'm posting this during a punk rock show .
Posted on 6/9/17 at 11:14 pm to wm72
quote:I've seen this as well. Especially if Roma is trying to stay in FFP lines, this could be one of the biggest factors
he problem could easily be the payment schedule
Posted on 6/11/17 at 9:46 am to wm72
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By the way, my obsession with Roma is such that I'm posting this during a punk rock show
Who were you seeing?
Posted on 6/11/17 at 9:46 am to TFTC
Congrats to these 3 guys 
Posted on 6/11/17 at 11:17 am to TFTC
And Solanke got the golden boot
Posted on 6/13/17 at 8:15 pm to TheZaba
17/18 schedule to be released tomorrow morning
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