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re: NASL is seemingly doomed
Posted on 9/22/16 at 8:13 pm to LSUMJ
Posted on 9/22/16 at 8:13 pm to LSUMJ
NASL needs to go, having two lower divisions that compete against each other is not a good thing. NASL-USL. but as someone pointed out, having the viable teams go up to MLS or over to USL would be good to see.
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Posted on 9/22/16 at 8:43 pm to lsugorilla
And this is part of the problem. Why does nasl need to go?
Posted on 9/22/16 at 8:49 pm to lsu31always
They performed badly and are now being "relegated" to non existence.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 8:50 pm to lsu31always
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And this is part of the problem. Why does nasl need to go?
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having two lower divisions that compete against each other is not a good thing
its the same product compete against each other for the same fans. Use OK as an example, market a little saturated, I league that makes poor choices and had poor owners should go, and the owners that know what they are doing should join one of the other two viable leagues. and the fans should follow. this way yo uare not spreading the money too thin over three leagues, but over two.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 9:37 am to lsugorilla
A sports league effectively owned by Traffic Sports is poorly run and corrupt... youdontsay.gif.
There's a reason that the San Antonio Spurs ownership group immediately moved to USL when they bought out the old San Antonio Scorpions. I saw first hand how bush league the NASL operated when I interned with the Scorpions during the club's inaugural season.
There's a reason that the San Antonio Spurs ownership group immediately moved to USL when they bought out the old San Antonio Scorpions. I saw first hand how bush league the NASL operated when I interned with the Scorpions during the club's inaugural season.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 9:37 am to lsugorilla
Are man city and man United not competing for the same fans? You are going to say but they play on the same league. Problem boils down to closed leagues tend to fail. Pro rel won't happen for a long time if it ever does and that's a shame. Mls and ussf might be hurting soccer in this country more than helping it.
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 9:38 am
Posted on 9/23/16 at 10:10 am to lsu31always
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Are man city and man United not competing for the same fans?
Dumb. Different playing field dude. Different rules. Oklahoma is not Manchester.
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Problem boils down to closed leagues tend to fail.
Failure as a league isn't really an option at this point. MLS isn't an upstart anymore it's an established product and probably a top 10-15 league in the world. The question is whether it will ever make the big jump. The answer is probably not.
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Pro rel won't happen for a long time if it ever does and that's a shame.
Why? America has shown that it can grow leagues just fine. We have a few pretty big ones. Why does America need a pro/rel system for the sport to grow? Just because the rest of the world does it? We're better than they are, everybody knows that.
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 10:11 am
Posted on 9/23/16 at 1:13 pm to lsu31always
quote:Well it was instituted into youth soccer a few years ago in the US.
Pro rel won't happen for a long time if it ever does and that's a shame.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:11 pm to cwil177
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NASL represents all that was wrong with soccer
MLS and their crony capitalism represent all that's wrong with AMERICA
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:13 pm to mynamebowl
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Why does America need a pro/rel system for the sport to grow?
it's not a silver bullet, but when the rest of the world has a meritocracy and you don't, the incentive on clubs to continue moving forward is diminished and it absolutely negatively impacts the product.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:14 pm to mynamebowl
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Why? America has shown that it can grow leagues just fine. We have a few pretty big ones. Why does America need a pro/rel system for the sport to grow? Just because the rest of the world does it? We're better than they are, everybody knows that.
The franchise model just doesn't work in big time soccer.
We have the best leagues in other sports bc we have the best talent. So we make the rules, this isn't the case with soccer. There is a proven model for the game and we don't us it.
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 1:26 pm to Draconian Sanctions
We're trying to establish a league on firm footing with attendance, TV, and deep solid ownership investment. Everything else flows from that investment. Lets try to get good ownership to invest hundreds of millions of dollars into establishing a solid club by telling them they could get kicked out at any time. Yea, that'll work. fricking genius.
Thankfully MLS doesn't follow you two jokers' advice. If they did they would be going the way of the nasl...stealing turf in the middle of the night from their high school stadium, bouncing pay checks, going broke, and ultimately failing.
You clowns know nothing about growing a league, that's clear. Pro/relegation is a long term goal. Meanwhile, mls will just continue to grow and get better like its been doing and you will just have to deal with it.
Thankfully MLS doesn't follow you two jokers' advice. If they did they would be going the way of the nasl...stealing turf in the middle of the night from their high school stadium, bouncing pay checks, going broke, and ultimately failing.
You clowns know nothing about growing a league, that's clear. Pro/relegation is a long term goal. Meanwhile, mls will just continue to grow and get better like its been doing and you will just have to deal with it.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 1:46 pm to LuckyTiger
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Lets try to get good ownership to invest hundreds of millions of dollars into establishing a solid club by telling them they could get kicked out at any time. Yea, that'll work. fricking genius.
There doesn't seem to be an issue with Americans investing the European teams?
You don't have to have 3 up 3 down like in England, you could send 1 team down per conference and weigh it over 3 or 4 years so one really bad year can't get you booted.
The United States will NEVER reach its potential with a closed league.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:06 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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The franchise model just doesn't work in big time soccer.
Do we know this? Sure, they don't do it in Europe but that doesn't mean it won't work here. It's already proven to work here to some extent. The problem is Europe had about a 100 year head start on us forming their leagues. The big clubs in Europe are essentially franchises at this point. They just don't call them that. It's not like Manchester United is run like a local club. These are international brands.
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We have the best leagues in other sports bc we have the best talent. So we make the rules, this isn't the case with soccer.
This is true. But there are enough players out there to make MLS one of the elite world leagues. It just has to grow. Or continue it's growth, rather.
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:19 pm to mynamebowl
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but that doesn't mean it won't work here.
actually it does. MLS isn't getting any more traction than it was 10 years ago, despite booming interest in the sport in this country.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:23 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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MLS isn't getting any more traction than it was 10 years ago, despite booming interest in the sport in this country.
Of course it is. It's not a top 5 world league yet, but to say the league's popularity hasn't grown in 10 years it silly. Even if what you said is true, how do we know that pro/rel is the answer?
Posted on 9/26/16 at 3:03 pm to mynamebowl
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. The big clubs in Europe are essentially franchises at this point. They just don't call them that. It's not like Manchester United is run like a local club. These are international brands.
Just bc they are massive brands doesn't mean they are franchises. They still have members who vote on club issues. It's laughable to say Bayern is a franchise when its members which can be any fans who pay a small fee can vote out the president or board members. Hell its happed at Barca.
You don't get that in MLS. The closest you will get is the supporters trust stating their concerns. Like when the RB fans went ape shite on the owners and gm the other year. But they have no power like in Europe.
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 3:33 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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he United States will NEVER reach its potential with a closed league.
i agree that a pro/rel system is more attractive, partially for me, because it is what the best leagues in the world do. can you tell me why lack of a pro/rel system will prevent the MLS from reaching its potential? also, what do you think is the potential for the MLS?
Posted on 9/26/16 at 3:42 pm to theOG
Lots of people think the one tier league in the long run will hinder soccer in the country as as a whole.
Play by the ussf and MLS's rules or don't get a chance at all. Basically keeping any organic growth not crontrolled by them shut out. It's bigger than pro/rel, it's that as well as pay to play, over all youth development and clubs outside MLS playing a part in that.
MLS is already on the brink of being way to big of league and if they got that route at least give us MLS I and MLS II. Problem is no one is paying 100+ million franchise fee to be in the second division or letting a club from the USL kick their investment out the league. Clubs who finish last and don't have the threat of being sent down have no incentive to improve. Other things like the unbalanced schedule allocation rules are absurd.
Sorry seeing a derby match like Portland vs Seattle 4 to 5 times in a season in the league just will water it down. The league could easily make it work playing each team twice over the course of 9 months even with how travel is.
Play by the ussf and MLS's rules or don't get a chance at all. Basically keeping any organic growth not crontrolled by them shut out. It's bigger than pro/rel, it's that as well as pay to play, over all youth development and clubs outside MLS playing a part in that.
MLS is already on the brink of being way to big of league and if they got that route at least give us MLS I and MLS II. Problem is no one is paying 100+ million franchise fee to be in the second division or letting a club from the USL kick their investment out the league. Clubs who finish last and don't have the threat of being sent down have no incentive to improve. Other things like the unbalanced schedule allocation rules are absurd.
Sorry seeing a derby match like Portland vs Seattle 4 to 5 times in a season in the league just will water it down. The league could easily make it work playing each team twice over the course of 9 months even with how travel is.
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 3:47 pm to theOG
We will never have the champions league like in Europe, so we will never be a top tier league in that sense, but I think we can be a regional power league like Argentina, Brazil, and Mexico that churns out top talent that gets picked up by top teams in Europe. That's my hope for MLS, and that it helps produce a solid pool for the USMNT.
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