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Posted on 3/30/23 at 6:42 pm to cwil177
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put the relevant part in bold. Baw you and I both know the English rules have created a highly inflated value for the English player within the EPL.
Doesn’t matter though
It is what it is
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If you find it please post it here. Sounds like an interesting read.
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I think you’re overestimating how much other countries’ academies care specifically about helping their national team vs their own coffers. Good point about pro/rel encouraging player development though. Wish we had it here but with the way MLS has a buy in you know it’s not happening, sadly. I could maybe see it in 20-30 years but before that it seems unlikely.
I’m not overestimating anything
I don’t you understand how big of an influence and relationship the clubs and associations have in the best football nations. The best example is probably Spain. It took the FA working with the clubs to say we want these type of players developed to play this type of style. Funny enough it was the style Gregg wanted to play and for years on here I said square peg in round hole and got backlash from you and other Gregg fans. It needs a generational shift to employ that type of style and everyone needs to buy in.
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I do find it hilarious that Americans hate the idea of socialism but our sports are more socialistic in their functioning than things in Europe.
I’m with you on that man
It’s stupid
This post was edited on 3/30/23 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 3/30/23 at 7:28 pm to cwil177
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Also, why are you so hung up on the tax haven thing? You seem like a pretty smart guy so maybe you can explain why this is bad. Considering where domestic soccer was less than thirty years ago I’m happy to have a league that 1. Increases in quality every year 2. Is producing talent for the national team 3. Has a burgeoning academy system that is bearing fruit and 4. Doesn’t have teams folding like in the first 10 years (RIP Fusion).
This is a pretty rosé colored glasses look
Honestly how good a quality is the league when a brand new franchise is wrecking everyone else? The league lacks serious depth and we saw the prime example with Seattle last year. The quality is good with attacking players but the quality in the midfield isn’t getting much better and it’s one of the worst defensive first divisions around. But on that if I’m an attacking talent from SA, MLS is a great platform to use to get a move to Europe. Bc highlights of your rinsing defenders every match are a great way to get your name out there.
As for the academy set up, only a few are actually bearing fruit. Some owners are more committed than others. Like we both agreed, pro/rel would change that substantially.
This post was edited on 4/1/23 at 11:07 am
Posted on 3/30/23 at 7:43 pm to StraightCashHomey21
This proposal is ridiculous, but to be honest, if Messi plays a game @Nashville, I’m definitely there.
I’d even consider traveling to ATL or Miami.
What is the rule that is preventing them from signing him?
I thought a DP could get paid as much as the team is willing.
I’d even consider traveling to ATL or Miami.
What is the rule that is preventing them from signing him?
I thought a DP could get paid as much as the team is willing.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 7:44 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I’ll ask again. Doesn’t Messi have enough left in the tank to play in the Premier League for 1-2 years?
Posted on 3/30/23 at 7:49 pm to txpurpleandgold
I honestly think EPL is to physical for him at this age. Don’t think he’d want to do that either. I may be wrong.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 7:49 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Pretty sure the only franchises he would be interested in already are maxed out on DPs
That and no sole owner can afford his wages
MLS is too fricking cheap
That and no sole owner can afford his wages
MLS is too fricking cheap
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:07 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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That and no sole owner can afford his wages
This part is not true. Almost all of them can afford his wages. These are some the richest owners in the world which underscores the point that this proposal is ridiculous.
This post was edited on 3/30/23 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:07 pm to cwil177
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Also, why are you so hung up on the tax haven thing? You seem like a pretty smart guy so maybe you can explain why this is bad. Considering where domestic soccer was less than thirty years ago I’m happy to have a league that 1. Increases in quality every year 2. Is producing talent for the national team 3. Has a burgeoning academy system that is bearing fruit and 4. Doesn’t have teams folding like in the first 10 years (RIP Fusion).
The tax haven line is a flashy way to underscore the fundamental problem: sporting merit is not a factor an MLS owner has to worry about, which is unique in the global game. Myself and many others believe this a problem for fans, the players, the league, and for the national team. If you want to really delve into the reasons why we can I guess.
I’ve actually softened on MLS quite a bit over the years, I even got a month of MLS season pass to see what the service is like and to give the league another real try. After 3 weeks watching I disagree that the quality of play is significantly better than it was 5 or 6 years ago. And tomorrows stars for the USMNT are all in Europe at this point. If and when they’re lured back I have no doubt they’ll see the same dramatic dip of form the 2014 World Cup stars saw when they came home after that tournament.
I will say I think the in stadium experience is much better, I went to an Austin FC match last season and had a blast, went to Orlando right before the pandemic and that was also excellent. When I went to a handful of Dynamo games around 2012-14 or so it was okay but not anywhere near what it is now, or maybe Houston just isn’t good at this, I don’t know.
This post was edited on 3/30/23 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:10 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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This part is not true. Almost all of them can afford his wages. These are some the richest owners in the world which underscores the point that this proposal is ridiculous.
You do realize his wage packet is around a million euros a week.
No one is willing to fork that over and can do so other than NYCFC's owners but they don't care about NYCFC
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:13 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Just give him a franchise for 90% off like they did for Becks.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:19 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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You do realize his wage packet is around a million euros a week. No one is willing to fork that over and can do so other than NYCFC's owners but they don't care about NYCFC
Guys like Blank, Kraft, and Wilf all could easily foot that bill. Any NFL owner is netting $100 million annually on that franchise alone.
Whether or not they want to run their MLS team at a loss like that is a different story, but they absolutely could afford it.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:21 pm to Broski
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Ref Bull Arena being in NJ is not what is holding MLS back.
No but the fact we have a team named Red Bull shows an underlying issue with MLS. That they were able to be renamed from the Metrostars is absurd. But the league was so desperate for that Red Bull money they didn't care. No one lets that shite fly being called Red Bull other than in Austria.
They have a good academy but all it is there for is to move players to Leipzig or Salzburg. With no real financial benefit to MLS because they are notoriously cheap on their inter club transfers
Then you have the likes of NYCFC, if any club had the resources to dominate MLS it would be them. But their owners don't give a frick. We were told they would bring their quality youth players from City over here and nahhhh. Other than the other year when they won MLS cup they have been extremely average. With all their money and resources, 10 years later we finally have talk about a soccer specific stadium. Their avg attendance has gone down every year since the inaugural season.
At the end of the day this franchise was only set up to expand the City football group portfolio, to up the value of Manchester City so they could spend more money on players within FFP.
MLS owners and Garber didn't care bc they wanted that franchise fee money.
This post was edited on 3/30/23 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:24 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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Guys like Blank, Kraft, and Wilf all could easily foot that bill. Any NFL owner is netting $100 million annually on that franchise alone.
yes but MLS owners do not inject their own money into their franchise, esp profit made from the NFL
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Whether or not they want to run their MLS team at a loss like that is a different story, but they absolutely could afford it.
A majority of MLS franchises already operate at a big loss each year
It then becomes at tax right off so the owners keep putting out shitty teams. With no punishment at all
But ATL/Blank are one of the few who actually have turned at profit buttttt some of that goes to the other teams as part of revenue sharing.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:39 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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A majority of MLS franchises already operate at a big loss each year
I know this.
Understand I’m not defending these guys in any way. Actually the opposite.
This whole league paying for Messi nonsense may be excusable if the MLS was a collection of fledging sports owners, but it’s not.
The reason most these guys don’t pay is because they don’t want to. They have the net worth and income from other sources to easily cover a large loss in the MLS.
Messi’s salary is a drop in the bucket for Philip Anschutz.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:40 pm to StraightCashHomey21
NBA 30 teams. Founded 1946
NFL 32 teams. Founded 1920
NHL 32 teams. Founded 1917
MLB 30 teams. Founded 1876/1901
MLS 29 teams. Founded 1996
NFL 32 teams. Founded 1920
NHL 32 teams. Founded 1917
MLB 30 teams. Founded 1876/1901
MLS 29 teams. Founded 1996
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:41 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:41 pm to TomRollTideRitter
The typical American professional sports thing would be to sign Messi under this league-wide deal then he sits 1/2 of the games for load management
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:47 pm to lsugorilla
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NBA 30 teams. Founded 1946
NFL 32 teams. Founded 1920
NHL 32 teams. Founded 1917
MLB 30 teams. Founded 1876/1901
MLS 29 teams. Founded 1996
MLS is already too big, one of the biggest first divisions in the world
We don't produce enough domestic talent to have a league this big and don't spend enough on players for it either.
The continuous rapid expansion kills the depth in the league.
This post was edited on 3/30/23 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:48 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Honestly how good a quality is the league when a brand new franchise is wrecking everyone else?
Eh, the Vegas Knights did that their inaugural year. And the Panthers and Jags made their conf championship games in year 2. It's not unheard of in American sports.
But this plan is still silly. I'd say if Messi wants to come here and play then he needs to figure the money part out. No need to grossly overpay for what would probably be 1 season, 2 tops.
Or just promise him ownership like they did Beckham
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