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re: Messi tarnished his image in this World Cup in my opinion
Posted on 7/24/26 at 9:59 am to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 7/24/26 at 9:59 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:Almost everyone on the field was Spanish heritage. That word has lost all meaning.
act like racist dick heads
Posted on 7/25/26 at 6:53 pm to StrongOffer
Um wtf are you talking about
I don’t think you understand or know the particular incident I was referring to
I don’t think you understand or know the particular incident I was referring to
Posted on 7/30/26 at 5:18 pm to Geauxgurt
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Messi tarnished his image in this World Cup in my opinion
couldn't have been worse than Ronaldo tarnished his... sad part is that Portugal probably makes a deeper run with a younger guy where Ronaldo was, but he wanted his glory at the expense of the team
This post was edited on 7/30/26 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 7/30/26 at 9:36 pm to Geauxgurt
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It’s his lack of leadership and consistent whining to the officials.
Working the refs is part of a good captain's job, but Messi also isn't the best possible captain for Argentina. Looking at that team, they don't have anyone who could possibly command respect the same way though.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 9:41 pm to Citica8
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I've been adamant that this new ultra physical style of play is bullshite and taking away from how the game should be played.
It goes in cycles though. This style requires so much running from players that it is hard to believe that it won't burn out soon. It's also not new. The space the game had after the 2005 offside rule change and how the game was officiated was the 'new' thing. The physical side of the game lost out to technicians and lost again this WC.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 10:09 pm to crazy4lsu
In the 30 years I’ve watched international and top league soccer, I can’t recall them letting them get away with the level of contact they did in the cup. Field officials were far too reliant on the VAR booth, and the booth was too hesitant to buck the field officials.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 11:14 pm to Citica8
30 years is not a long time in terms of the sport. The majority of that period was spent in a rules system which allowed attackers more space in midfield. The 70's and 80's were far more physical, especially in terms of what referees allowed teams to do. Hell, this tourney wasn't any more physical than the PL era where teams decided they needed larger and stronger players to kick the shite out of the technicians. Nor did it seem any more physical than what the US regularly endures during their usual qualifying run when we play away in Central America. Argentina's style is just not something unique in either the history of football, nor in terms of teams in the Western Hemisphere. Perhaps the lack of a qualifying cycle has given people short memories, but the play in CONMEBOL and CONCACAF is almost always like this.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 6:45 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Roughly 1/3 of the tournament, but sure. All sports evolve and I’d say 30+ years is a pretty decent representation of the current era of the sport.
30 years is not a long time in terms of the sport
quote:So, prior to more than doubling the amount of officials, with 3 of them sitting in a production booth with multiple 4K cameras, again sure. The game was a lot slower and less athletic than it is today, as it is in all sports.
The 70's and 80's were far more physical, especially in terms of what referees allowed teams to do
quote:I said this in the post you quoted.
Argentina's style is just not something unique in either the history of football, nor in terms of teams in the Western Hemisphere
quote:I’m familiar with how the Latin American countries play, I remember the last 2 Copa Americas pretty well, but you missed the point, just being physical is not the issue, losing the ball from an illegal tackle and not getting the call unless you hit the ground is the issue, referees losing control of the game before it turns into a dirty hack fest is the issue.
the lack of a qualifying cycle has given people short memories, but the play in CONMEBOL and CONCACAF is almost always like this
There has been a shift, very recently, but it’s more about maintaining the game flow and utilizing advantage. Same reason they put emphasis on not delaying restarts, so a single corner or throw in doesn’t take 3 minutes, or why they have headsets and wireless devices to quickly communicate from the booth to the on field officials. They’re not going back to the roots of 70s and 80s physicality for the sake of physicality.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 7:42 am to Citica8
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referees losing control of the game before it turns into a dirty hack fest is the issue.
Nothing we saw this tournament even comes close to the chaos of The Battle of Nuremberg, or even the Netherlands vs Argentina in the
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They’re not going back to the roots of 70s and 80s physicality for the sake of physicality.
That physicality never went anywhere though. The 2005 offside rule changed the way teams set up defensively, such that they were playing as deep as the furthest forward offensive player. Teams dropped the 3rd CB in favor of the 3rd midfielder, which would often result in the team being less able to impose themselves physically until defensive teams decided to start man-marking during high intensity phases. Marco Bielsa used this approach when he was at Bilbao to great effect but it didn't catch on widely until after COVID it seems.
What you seem to be complaining about is the inconsistent refereeing, but in a tournament of this size, that is somewhat to be expected, given that the larger pool of teams would lead to larger technical and physical discrepancies.
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losing the ball from an illegal tackle and not getting the call unless you hit the ground is the issue, referees losing control of the game before it turns into a dirty hack fest is the issue.
Again this has been an issue in the major leagues for decades now. I am just unsure why you think these issues are novel. They are not.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 9:30 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Assuming you’re talking about “The Battle of Lusail” in 2022. Both of those matches had had 20 bookings, that’s the point. England vs Argentina, and England vs Mexico were similar, but because they only had 4-5 cards it’s not “The Battle of Mercedes Benz” or “The Battle of Azteca” it’s become more of the norm.
The Battle of Nuremberg, or even the Netherlands vs Argentina in the
quote:No, I think it’s been very consistent, that if you try to fight through any level of legal or illegal contact and lose the ball or your position on the ball, but do not hit the ground you will not get the call. There’s no incentive for trying to stay up and play advantage anymore. They’re consistently not letting the play go on and then going back and handing out cards for reckless play at the next restart.
What you seem to be complaining about is the inconsistent refereeing
Regardless, Messi and his legacy remain untarnished.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 4:16 pm to Citica8
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Assuming you’re talking about “The Battle of Lusail” in 2022. Both of those matches had had 20 bookings, that’s the point. England vs Argentina, and England vs Mexico were similar
England and Argentina might have been, but England and Mexico wasn't anything like those two other games. It was pretty benign in terms of how the Mexicans came out. If the US had been playing there and were winning, Mexico would have gotten a red card just for the fun of it, as they have done against the US many times.
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No, I think it’s been very consistent, that if you try to fight through any level of legal or illegal contact and lose the ball or your position on the ball, but do not hit the ground you will not get the call.
I mean, you are just saying it was consistently bad. There were a few games I recall that weren't like that but having watched the same tournament, the only really notable games which might live on in the memory are Argentina/England and Paraguay/France.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 8:19 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:You’re probably right, I’ll chalk that up to my frick Mexico bias. The no call on a “foul” that resulted in a red card is what is sticking out in my head. This is already so far derailed I’m not going to break that down, but to go from clean tackle to straight red after VAR, but Gordon gets chopped on the counter with no intent for the ball immediately after and nothing.
England and Mexico wasn't anything like those two other games
Paraguay and France was definitely on par with England Argentina though.
quote:Most of the ones that didn’t involve CONMEBOL or CONCACAF nations not named Colombia or the US
There were a few games I recall that weren't like
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