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re: Liverpool FC 2013/2014 - Season Long Thread

Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:58 pm to
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:58 pm to
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What I find with this 'Pool team is that they seem to be a very "British" attacking team.


It depends on the opponent, really. I've never gotten the impression it's too British. This side can be extremely direct when they want to, but there is also a certain intelligent patience and brilliant tactics surrounding our play with the ball.

It's a very different team from SAF's during his reign, whose sides I think of when I hear the term "British." They were built on power, strength, resolve and grit. Those are the qualities I think about when I think of "British" teams, though I must admit my English soccer history isn't great.

This team is founded on intelligence, control, finesse, passing, and creativity.

The second against Sunderland, for example, had every player on the field touch the ball except Sturridge, who made the dummy run to set Sterling up for his finish.

Again, it depends on the opposition. But it is nice we are doing this with an English core (Johnson, Flanagan, Gerrard, Henderson, Sturridge, Sterling). Can only be good for the England national side imo.

I think our best quality is that we "smell blood," both in our pressing game, and our attacking play. The players know when to press hard, get the ball forward, and score. And if we know we can score, 4 will be up on the opposition quickly.
Posted by TFTC
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 6:11 pm to
Hodgson would be smart to build the England national team around the LFC core...
Posted by tsmi136
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 6:23 pm to
Sturridge, Sterling, Henderson, and maybe Flanagan. Gerrard is good for another 2-4 years and I think Johnson will be passed up very soon, if not already, for England.
Posted by TFTC
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 6:25 pm to
Sorry, I meant for this WC
Posted by tsmi136
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 6:27 pm to
Ahhh okay. Sorry I thought you meant for the future
Posted by TFTC
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 6:58 pm to
No worries... This will be Glen's last major comp as 1st choice RB.. Who knows what Stevie can do prolong his career in this new role, but I hope he hangs it up...

Maybe it's just me, but I think Flanagan isn't good enough.. Not for England (though he may get the odd cap here and there) or us... A squad player at best, which isn't bad because he can fill in on either side of defense. If he wants to play regularly, he would be better suited going elsewhere ( I realize the irony in that last statement too )
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 8:52 pm to
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I've never gotten the impression it's too British.


Which would be a funny qualifier. I don't think it's too British. It is a possession based side which even SAF would eschew readily when he felt the need. For me SAF's teams were about spacing, which was characterized by striker interplay and width, which forced narrow teams to meet ball carriers, creating 2 v 1 situations which often led to chances created at the byline. Though SAF was successful using that method, I think this is largely antiquated.

This 'Pool team certainly isn't like that. It's actually much more like Chelsea during the last decade. Rather than focusing on pace and power, the focus is on technique and movement, with pace and power beneficial but nonessential elements. And then you have elements of last year's Bayern, with relentless pressing and the breaking at speed. So if we can say that the Arsenal teams of the early noughties was the essence of the continental, pressing/counter-attacking style, those Chelsea teams were the essence of the deep line/counter-attacking style which combined the very British use of the deep line with the false pressing from the continent, resulting in the best team of that era.

If you watch videos of early 80s British teams (I wish I could find that one video of either Liverpool or Southampton where the interplay resulted in a fantastic team goal), Rodgers style isn't dissimilar, though I can certainly concede the nuance of the space, movement, and pass types.

I mean, 'Pool's passing stats are not that much different from Arsenal and Man City, two teams that are continental to the core, but there's a difference in the execution of the passing patterns. While Arsenal's still remains solely about finesse, City has moved to a hybrid which centers around the 360 degree movement of the forwards, which isn't all that far from how Pellegrini had Real playing. 'Pool's forwards retain a directness which, for me, is very British, although they are both complete forwards in every sense, which makes their pairing and success together all the more impressive, as we've seen it isn't easy to deploy two complete strikers in the same formation. Namely what impresses me is that neither seem to play with their back to goal very often, posted up on the CB, as 'Pool's movement ensures support for them almost immediately, which is certainly a very British style of playing which is retained by City and especially Arsenal. This frees them to make direct and diagonal runs, which lead to a high number of chances. Thus it becomes about how 'Pool uses the space in front of the defense, essentially relieving the front men from a primary responsibility. There's a fascinating mix of styles going. I hope to watch them more in the coming weeks and see if I'm making a conclusion based on a small amount of data.
This post was edited on 3/4/14 at 8:54 pm
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 9:56 pm to
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If you watch videos of early 80s British teams, Rodgers style isn't dissimilar, though I can certainly concede the nuance of the space, movement, and pass types.


Great point. I have watched dozens of 70s/80s LFC matches, and this team truly isn't too different from them.

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although they are both complete forwards in every sense, which makes their pairing and success together all the more impressive


It's amazing to watch. Sturridge can play on both wings, in the center, has fantastic hold-up play, can create his shot, and is a superb finisher.

Suarez, I mean, where do I even begin? He is fundamentally the reason for where we are in the table, though we were decent without him at the beginning of the season. The most important player in the side by far, with Henderson a close second. Suarez gives Rodgers so many options tactically. His ability to play any of the front 3 positions, along with AM, false 9, second striker, etc really gives Rodgers the ability to exploit matchups all over the field. It's also the reason he rarely scores against "top" sides. He doesn't play a glamorous role, but he does it willingly, which is a hard trait to find in a player of his status.
Posted by Tigerstark
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Posted on 3/5/14 at 8:14 am to
Personally, I think our ability to adapt tactics, and excel at a variety of attacks is what has made us not only so much fun to watch, but also hard to beat.

We can grind out some wins. We can flood the midfield and play their game (though not necessarily very pretty) We can counter attack and get a goal with two passes. We can work it around and get the opening we need. All teams, of course, score goals this way throughout the year, but our ability to do it comfortably as the situation/opponent calls for it has been crucial. Not many teams can turn the dial to the correct frequency for the opponent on that given day.

While our style does not resemble Arsenal (over the last 10-15 years - not necessarily currently or in any given small stretch) to me, that ability to comfortably attack/score/win in so many ways does.
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:58 pm to
Alright fellas! flight and room booked and tickets bought!

Chicago... 7/25-28

Fri & Sat Cardinals v Cubs
Sun LFC v Olympiakos

Gonna be a great weekend... lemme know who else is going!!

Posted by TFTC
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Posted on 3/5/14 at 4:09 pm to
Posted by Anfield Road
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Posted on 3/5/14 at 5:54 pm to
The only downside of Liverpool's current form may be having to root for England in Brazil with so many possible starters.
Posted by BleedPurpleGold
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Posted on 3/5/14 at 6:18 pm to


I was saying the same thing at Finns last weekend.
Posted by Col Reb is my mascot
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:41 pm to
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Sun LFC v Olympiakos


Might be going, depends on where I decide to go to law school (If I go to Marquette Ill be there)

Ill know next week for sure though
Posted by BleedPurpleGold
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 3/6/14 at 12:29 am to
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depends on where I decide to go to law school


DON'T DO IT.
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 3/6/14 at 9:23 am to
just droppin' in to say frick agger with an AIDS dick

good morning y'all
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 3/6/14 at 9:30 am to
Wow, our man of glass broke your man of glass's foot with this?

(sorry glassman)

Maybe he was thinking of the table

Posted by Tigerstark
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Posted on 3/6/14 at 10:04 am to
Really didn't think it was that bad of a tackle. He clearly is trying to kick the ball. His foot hits the side of aggers foot. Heck, we're lucky Agger didn't turn his ankle based upon how it hit.
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
23555 posts
Posted on 3/6/14 at 10:07 am to
I didnt either... looks like he got the ball first, studs werent up IMO...
Posted by tsmi136
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Posted on 3/6/14 at 10:50 am to
Looked like a solid 50-50 challenge to me
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