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re: Liverpool FC 2011/12 Season Thread
Posted on 11/5/11 at 12:39 pm to LfcSU3520
Posted on 11/5/11 at 12:39 pm to LfcSU3520
He has created the most chances for others on the team. If we were half good at finishing we would be praising him. He should have had an assist today.
He definitely struggles with 50/50 balls though and has zero defensive ability. But he isn't the only one picking terrible passes.
And like I said, if other players would put away even 1/3 of the chances he has created, we would love the guy.
I would have taken Mata in an instant over Downing.
He definitely struggles with 50/50 balls though and has zero defensive ability. But he isn't the only one picking terrible passes.
And like I said, if other players would put away even 1/3 of the chances he has created, we would love the guy.
I would have taken Mata in an instant over Downing.
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Posted on 11/6/11 at 3:16 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
Adam's brother arrested for sectarianism
I wouldn't expect Charlie to recover his form quickly.
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A Rangers player has been arrested and charged over a "sectarian" incident.
Grant Adam was held after an incident in Glasgow city centre (Edit by TN Bhoy: At the club's Charity Ball)in the early hours of Sunday morning.
The 20-year-old is expected to appear at Glasgow Sheriff Court on Monday charged with a sectarian aggravated breach of the peace.
A spokeswoman for Strathclyde Police said: "We can confirm a 20-year-old male has been charged in connection with an alleged sectarian breach of the peace, in relation to an incident in Ingram Street on Sunday, November 6."
A Rangers spokesman told STV: "We are aware the player was arrested and will investigate the matter fully before making any further comment."
Adam is a goalkeeper for the SPL champions and the brother of Liverpool and Scotland player Charlie Adam.
He has been a member of Scotland national squads at under 16, 17 and 19 level and is recognised as Ranger third-choice keeper.
I wouldn't expect Charlie to recover his form quickly.
This post was edited on 11/6/11 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 11/6/11 at 3:44 pm to TN Bhoy
another tie, huh.... so frustrating to see so much money spent, and no results... we keep this up and Suarez very well could jump ship when elite teams come calling....
i agree about Downing.... fast as lightning, but god damn he's terrible with his passes.... and his shots are some of the worst taken shots i've ever seen.... it's like he's just kicking the ball rather than actually trying to score the ball....
Adam had so much promise, at first.... seemed to have that fire that old Liverpool players played with.... but nowadays, he's a friggin' liability defensively.... beautiful crosses, but horrendous first touch on the ball and doesn't defend worth the shite...
and Gerrard needs to find a new fricking doctor... all these infections, and shite are getting ridiculous...
i agree about Downing.... fast as lightning, but god damn he's terrible with his passes.... and his shots are some of the worst taken shots i've ever seen.... it's like he's just kicking the ball rather than actually trying to score the ball....
Adam had so much promise, at first.... seemed to have that fire that old Liverpool players played with.... but nowadays, he's a friggin' liability defensively.... beautiful crosses, but horrendous first touch on the ball and doesn't defend worth the shite...
and Gerrard needs to find a new fricking doctor... all these infections, and shite are getting ridiculous...
Posted on 11/8/11 at 7:16 am to chRxis
* Luis Suarez has now had 51 shots in the Premier League this season but has scored only four goals.
* Stewart Downing has had 15 shots in his last four PL games without hitting the target once.
* Liverpool have hit the woodwork more times (10) than any other PL team this season.
* Stewart Downing has had 15 shots in his last four PL games without hitting the target once.
* Liverpool have hit the woodwork more times (10) than any other PL team this season.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 10:46 am to chRxis
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and Gerrard needs to find a new fricking doctor... all these infections, and shite are getting ridiculous...
Jesus fricking Christ no truer words have ever been spoken. I'm starting to think he has some type of AIDS immunodeficiency disease. I've never seen a player in any sport that get hurt as much as Steven.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 11:20 am to chRxis
I'm still as confused as I was this summer as to why Liverpool ridded themselves of Aquilani. He seems like exactly what's needed in setting up Suarez etc and also playing solid defense.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 12:13 pm to wm72
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needed in setting up Suarez
We don't need this. We need a poacher.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 12:40 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
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We don't need this. We need a poacher.
Good point about the finishing.
However, I still think Aquilani would be helping Liverpool a great deal since he's good for so many dangerous entries per game that if you watch AC Milan you'll see light-scoring midfielders like Nocerino ect are often finishing his assists.
He just has that creative nack for passes that break down defenses. An Aquilani pass has either been the assist or pass that leads to an assist in a pretty high percentage of Milan's goals in addition to the solid defense he plays for an attacking player and that's saved them so far in the absence of Ibra, Pato ect.
I could be totally wrong as I certainly don't think I know more football than anyone making decisions at any club but the whole Aquilani/Liverpool deal has just always confused me as it seems he'd improve the team and they really didn't cash in. Maybe it was simply that Liverpool didn't think he'd stay around long term and it was better to build the attack without him?
Posted on 11/8/11 at 12:46 pm to wm72
I would love to have Aqua back. But at this point it won't happen. He is a quality player.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 1:01 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
I will never understand the Aquilani situation- I would honestly rather him playing than Adam.
Aquilani's vision was outstanding
Aquilani's vision was outstanding
Posted on 11/8/11 at 1:06 pm to LfcSU3520
It's odd for sure. Bought by Rafa, club was sold, new manager - out on loan, brought back to Liverpool, new manager - out on loan. Milan will have the option to make the move permanent. I will be shocked if they don't (considering some of the praise I've seen).
Posted on 11/8/11 at 1:12 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
he's gone. It's not really even a loan.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 1:15 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
Aquiliani is better than Adam by a significant margin.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 1:42 pm to crazy4lsu
I certainly don't doubt it
Posted on 11/8/11 at 1:48 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
If Liverpool adopts Blackpool's system, then Adam would work a lot better. I'm surprised more teams haven't used that system, as it was a revelation on how to approach team width. But Aquiliani is a much better technical player, with good short passing ability and excellent movement. Adam is statuesque in comparison.
Now you pool fans can correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the new owners specifically want to buy British players? With the current technical level of British players in general, I'm not sure that was an astute move. In any case, they might have chosen the wrong British players.
'Pool's biggest problem is a lack of offensive identity. If you are going to punt the ball up to Carroll, then the team should litter the box with crosses. If you are going to build the team around Suarez, then give him a central free role off the striker. Suarez and Carroll can work together in a straight 4-4-2, or even in a 4-2-3-1 with the right players around them.
Now you pool fans can correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the new owners specifically want to buy British players? With the current technical level of British players in general, I'm not sure that was an astute move. In any case, they might have chosen the wrong British players.
'Pool's biggest problem is a lack of offensive identity. If you are going to punt the ball up to Carroll, then the team should litter the box with crosses. If you are going to build the team around Suarez, then give him a central free role off the striker. Suarez and Carroll can work together in a straight 4-4-2, or even in a 4-2-3-1 with the right players around them.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:09 pm to crazy4lsu
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Now you pool fans can correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the new owners specifically want to buy British players?
Kenny.
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n any case, they might have chosen the wrong British players.
the ones they chose were ones that fit into the statistical mold they had figured. Set pieces, chance creators.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:14 pm to LfcSU3520
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the ones they chose were ones that fit into the statistical mold they had figured. Set pieces, chance creators.
This. Basically they value experience more than potential. Which is why Aquilani is on loan while Chuck starts.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:20 pm to crazy4lsu
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Now you pool fans can correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the new owners specifically want to buy British players?
Not necessarily, even though their purchases are pretty indicative of this. Didnt they form a partnership with Uruguay?
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:17 pm to LfcSU3520
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the ones they chose were ones that fit into the statistical mold they had figured. Set pieces, chance creators.
A type of moneyball for soccer I guess. I'd be interested in the types of metrics they used. Chances created is always a tricky metric because it doesn't measure the quality of the chance created. It's similar to passing stats, which indicate the number of touches, but not the quality of the touches.
I'm skeptical of the ability to apply statistical data to soccer in the same way as baseball and other sports because I can't come up with a way of quantifying quality.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:28 pm to crazy4lsu
there's some fascinating conversations to be had, but there's aren't a lot of answers.
What was found was that a very high percentage of goals in the PL came from set pieces, so naturally they set out to attack that specific area. At least by putting in what were considered quality players who were also some of the league's best in dead ball situations.
The most important stat over the haul of a PL season, is shots on goal. Getting to the shots on goal though is way less quantifiable.
What is now quantifiable and tracked heavily, is physical exertion, and distance run/ sprinted (80% of your top speed). The league's best players routinely finish at or near the tops of these statistics.
It's all really fascinating and really really raw. There's tons of data coming out now, but not many people are sure of how to practically apply that data.
Lots of that stat analyzers that work in soccer now also try basketball because there are a lot of similarities in the way the game works when analyzed.
What was found was that a very high percentage of goals in the PL came from set pieces, so naturally they set out to attack that specific area. At least by putting in what were considered quality players who were also some of the league's best in dead ball situations.
The most important stat over the haul of a PL season, is shots on goal. Getting to the shots on goal though is way less quantifiable.
What is now quantifiable and tracked heavily, is physical exertion, and distance run/ sprinted (80% of your top speed). The league's best players routinely finish at or near the tops of these statistics.
It's all really fascinating and really really raw. There's tons of data coming out now, but not many people are sure of how to practically apply that data.
Lots of that stat analyzers that work in soccer now also try basketball because there are a lot of similarities in the way the game works when analyzed.
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