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re: Land of the Free vs Thanksgiving Dinner | 1PM CST ESPN2
Posted on 6/1/14 at 10:38 pm to etm512
Posted on 6/1/14 at 10:38 pm to etm512
Our games in Brazil are going to be exciting. We are gonna create quite a few chances but our defense is going to concede quite a few as well.
Still haven't seen anything that gets us over Portugal or Germany, but Ghana could be a multigoal thriller.
Still haven't seen anything that gets us over Portugal or Germany, but Ghana could be a multigoal thriller.
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Posted on 6/1/14 at 10:41 pm to Harry Pitts
And what's the reasoning behind Beasley not being considered at all at LM? Super thin there and to me he is a better option than Davis or Green.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 10:48 pm to etm512
Bedoya will probably start at left-mid despite being right-footed. He provides better cover for whoever we wind up starting at leftback. He just didn't play today for whatever reason.
I really would like to see if Mix could play there and play as more of an inverted winger, cutting inside and creating combinations, compared to Zusi as more of a traditional wide midfield role.
I really would like to see if Mix could play there and play as more of an inverted winger, cutting inside and creating combinations, compared to Zusi as more of a traditional wide midfield role.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 10:48 pm to etm512
Has he played LM for Jurgen?
Posted on 6/1/14 at 10:57 pm to Harry Pitts
Not that I can recall but he looks like a LM playing LB
Posted on 6/1/14 at 11:00 pm to etm512
If Klinsmann opts to start Chandler at LB, he might use a late sub to put in Beasley for a tired Bedoya or Davis for defensive cover.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 11:01 pm to thenry712
Watched the game with the Nashville AO chapter, it was a blast.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 11:03 pm to etm512
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And what's the reasoning behind Beasley not being considered at all at LM?
I always wondered that too. I thought LM was his natural position.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 11:18 pm to etm512
Yep. Agree with a lot of that. I hate that we have lazy players, a couple dudes who are overwhelmed in fricking friendlies, and no true idea of the formation. I believe LB and the sides of the diamond are our weakest spots right now. It is fricking infuriating that Brad Davis is receiving serious playing time, Julian Green is nervous and goes down with a stiff breeze, and Yedlin looks mostly clueless. I think Chandler is the one most likely to fix his problems.
If we use the diamond, then we better score 2+ a game. The defense will be stretched thin. The biggest pro about the diamond is that our games will be exciting and high scoring. The con is that we concede a shite ton and we missing out on a formation where Landon would flourish as second striker or on the outside mids. It will still put a damper on the whole World Cup knowing that we have a perfect solution to a big weakness.
If we use the diamond, then we better score 2+ a game. The defense will be stretched thin. The biggest pro about the diamond is that our games will be exciting and high scoring. The con is that we concede a shite ton and we missing out on a formation where Landon would flourish as second striker or on the outside mids. It will still put a damper on the whole World Cup knowing that we have a perfect solution to a big weakness.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 11:30 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
I wish we didn't go to the diamond. We don't really have the players to run it well and it deprives us of MB's excellent defensive skills. I'd much rather the 4-2-3-1 but maybe the diamond will work well against a three man midfield, which is what I think Jurgen is going for. The fact that it leaves exposed on the flanks is the price we have to pay to crowd out the opposition midfield.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 11:46 pm to crazy4lsu
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The fact that it leaves exposed on the flanks is the price we have to pay to crowd out the opposition midfield.
In theory, but we didn't really accomplish that, because of this:
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We don't really have the players to run it well
Maybe if Davis and Zusi were inverted and weren't tempted (or encouraged, I don't know) to move into space on their dominant feet.
Klinsmann and Jones tangentially acknowledged it:
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The Turks exploited the flanks as the USA's wide midfielders and fullbacks pushed up into the attack. But the main issue came in the middle of the field, where lone defensive midfielder Jermaine Jones was outnumbered 2-to-1. And with no defensive pressure on the Turkish midfielders, the visitors easily played their way through to the US penalty area.
After the USA's opening goal in the 26th minute, Jones says he took advantage of the break in the game to talk to Klinsmann about making some tactical changes.
"I was telling him that we have to drop one back and that [forward] Clint [Dempsey] had to go on [Turkey's deep playmaker Nuri Sahin] and that [US attacking midfielder] Michael [Bradley] had to come back a little bit. If we didn’t do it, I would always be two against one.”
But the changes suggested by Jones didn't take effect until the team went into the halftime locker to talk it over.
"What we needed to do earlier there is to drop Michael Bradley beside [Jones] to make it defensively a flat four and use the diamond going forward," acknowledged Klinsmann, echoing Jones's thoughts. "And so we corrected that at halftime and it then looked better. Even Clint [Dempsey] dropped a little bit more to look after Sahin, the No. 10, and it looked better."
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So, we basically got the worst of both worlds in the first half.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 11:50 pm to joey barton
And we need to play the 4-2-3-1. It's pretty obvious now, so the experimenting needs to be over.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 12:11 am to crazy4lsu
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I wish we didn't go to the diamond. We don't really have the players to run it well and it deprives us of MB's excellent defensive skills. I'd much rather the 4-2-3-1 but maybe the diamond will work well against a three man midfield, which is what I think Jurgen is going for. The fact that it leaves exposed on the flanks is the price we have to pay to crowd out the opposition midfield.
I think the diamond could be pulled off against inferior opponents, but that is obviously not realistic with our group. Jermaine Jones will have one of the toughest jobs in the entire WC if we stick in this diamond with the quality of opponents.
It never bodes well when Jones has to be the one to point the need for a tactical switch and not Jurgen.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 12:14 am to joey barton
I'm not sure what the point of the diamond is. We don't have brilliant fullbacks who can take over their sides of the field, we don't have a playmaker who can spray the ball around the field, we don't have the shuttlers who can run and press. I suppose the idea is to free Dempsey and Altidore for attacking combinations, but running a 4-4-2 would do the same thing, save for conceding possession in central areas. I'd rather run two banks of four in midfield with the no.10 picking up the deepest opposition midfielder, which is an infinitely easier system to run. But I have no clue what Klinsmann is thinking.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 12:15 am to crazy4lsu
No one does.
But I agree with you, and I think we were essentially running a 4-4-2 as you described after the half.
But I agree with you, and I think we were essentially running a 4-4-2 as you described after the half.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 12:18 am to crazy4lsu
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We don't have brilliant fullbacks who can take over their sides of the field,
I guess Fabian can sort of do this, but it is not like it is Jordi Alba out there.
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But I have no clue what Klinsmann is thinking.
Really the only thing I can think of is that it seems Jozy is more successful in a two striker system (as well as Johannsson - making him a perfect sub if you want to keep the formation the same) and Dempsey does not provide enough coverage to be in the midfield. I do not know.
There is almost no doubt that the diamond can increase our offensive chances, but the defense is so porous and there is really nothing the back four can do stop those huge gaps unless we play a crazy high line and gamble.
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 12:22 am to Vicks Kennel Club
Just watched the Donovan goal from today. Holy shite that finish was pretty. Puts it in the top of the net so that goalie has no chance. His finishing abilities are actually world class.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 12:42 am to crazy4lsu
Someone mentioned earlier that it could be for late game situations. That's certainly what it looked like with everyone pouring forward and Jones just active and aggressive enough to prevent Turkey from completely over-running our back four. Not sure that that's what it sounds like, though.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 12:44 am to joey barton
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Someone mentioned earlier that it could be for late game situations. That's certainly what it looked like with everyone pouring forward and Jones just active and aggressive enough to prevent Turkey from completely over-running our back four. Not sure that that's what it sounds like, though.
This is a nice theory. Would be sneaky smart by Jurgen. Act like we had to adjust when this is really part of the game plan and we don't want our opponents to prepare for it.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 12:53 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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It never bodes well when Jones has to be the one to point the need for a tactical switch and not Jurgen.
To be fair, I don't think that Jermaine Jones is tactically naive, just insane.
I'm sure that plenty of people on the sideline noticed it. Not sure what the point of riding it out was since Jones apparently wasn't in on any possible experiment.
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