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re: Jones vs Cameron: Honduras Match

Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:36 am to
Posted by americanoutlaw
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:36 am to
I think Evans has put in a good few games in service for his country, but I don't think I really want to see him start too many more meaningful games.
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:40 am to
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I dont think we could pull it off. Tactically.

I love the game, but will admit I don't know shite about tactics at this level.
Posted by cwil177
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:51 am to
Playing a 3 man back line without a TON of practice in doing it is a recipe for disaster, I'll say that.
Posted by WarSlamEagle
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:59 am to
Needs deeper width. Your wingers are pushed too high up for that to work. You'd need more of a 3-5-2/3-4-1-2 to play a three-back lineup.

More traditional midfield winger than LAMs or RAMs like we usually trot out. Basically push Fabian and Zusi back a line.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 10:04 am
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 10:03 am to
I'd agree with that, but if it didn't work, you could just slide Cameron back.
Posted by uway
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 10:09 am to
I think you have to start Jones, but honestly Cameron and Bradley might be a better pairing. Bradley is better going forward than Jones and Cameron looked like more of a difference maker defensively than Jones.

I might be tempted to put Fabian at LB and start Dempsey at LW with Bradley in front of Cameron and Jones. Tell Fabian to roam forward as Clint moves inside and Cameron to cover Fabians runs defensively.
Posted by Stewie Griffin
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 10:11 am to
What the frick is going on this thread?

Putting aside some of the WTF-ness in here, Jones and Bradley will start in the center.

I'd actually prefer a Besler/Cameron CB pairing. Gonzales has four or five moments a game that can cost you.

Posted by americanoutlaw
Lafayette
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 10:11 am to
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I might be tempted to put Fabian at LB and start Dempsey at LW with Bradley in front of Cameron and Jones. Tell Fabian to roam forward as Clint moves inside and Cameron to cover Fabians runs defensively.

I like this a lot. Hopefully Jurgen goes for a decisive victory against a thin Honduras
Posted by Stewie Griffin
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 10:13 am to
quote:

I think you have to start Jones, but honestly Cameron and Bradley might be a better pairing. Bradley is better going forward than Jones and Cameron looked like more of a difference maker defensively than Jones.

I might be tempted to put Fabian at LB and start Dempsey at LW with Bradley in front of Cameron and Jones. Tell Fabian to roam forward as Clint moves inside and Cameron to cover Fabians runs defensively.



Sense. This makes it.

Didn't Honduras give us fits down the left last time out, though, when we employed a similar tactic?

Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 10:21 am to
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Didn't Honduras give us fits down the left last time out, though, when we employed a similar tactic?


Who was playing LB?


I agree with you about Gonzales, but I think he is seen as the future at that CB spot, and after Cameron's showing last time out, I don't want to pencil him in at any one spot. On a team this thin, his versatility is a big plus.
Posted by Tennessee Jed
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 10:24 am to
agreed, Gonzales isn't quite there, but he's really close. He's also OUTSTANDING in the air, offensively and defensively.

Quite a few instances in the Belgium game, where he beasted over Fellaini(sp?) and won a header.

For me, and this has gotten off topic. Right now, Besler > Gonzales.

If Cameron moved to CB for Stoke, I'd love to see him and Besler pair up. But that centre half position is one where you definitely need to be playing week in and week out. It's probably the toughest position on the field to step into, if you're not playing there regularly.
Posted by Jumbeauxlaya
LSU
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 10:24 am to
Don't take it so personally that peoples opinions differe stew..

I don't understand this sudden love of certain players. The lineup we trotted out the last 3 matches clearly works. Stick with it as much as possible.
Posted by Stewie Griffin
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 10:33 am to
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Who was playing LB?



Fabian. I think they scored a goal on an attack when he pushed forward and didn't recover. Either that or they created a chance that Howard bailed out.

That was the game Chandler sucked at right back, I think, that hot arse game in Honduras.

Posted by CrimsonFlounder
Gulf Coast
Member since Feb 2011
1059 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 11:49 am to
I really think the attack is better with Cameron next to Bradley. He stays home and allows MB to attack. Jones is to apt to run up field and force MB to have to cover for him. Jones is a better athlete than Cameron, but not as good as he thinks he is. Jones freelances to much for my tastes and has a tendency to get stupid cards. Also there is no sense in rushing Jones back against this half strength Honduras squad.
Posted by cwil177
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:15 pm to
Nailed it.
Posted by joey barton
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:19 pm to
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Didn't Honduras give us fits down the left last time out, though, when we employed a similar tactic?


Similar strategy on the left, sure, but we weren't playing with a double pivot consisting of a defensive midfielder and a defender.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160203 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:22 pm to
Midfield mainstay for Schalke or a utility man for Stoke? Cameron played well last game for sure but you start Jones without a second thought.
Posted by Tennessee Jed
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:24 pm to
agree. Cameron is an excellent Utility player. Not sure he has a starting spot when our full team is healthy and ready to play.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 12:25 pm
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160203 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:27 pm to
Cameron is valuable on the bench because he can be the first guy off the bench when you need a center half or a right back. He is also the perfect player to sub on around the 70th minute when you're trying to kill off a game.
Posted by acgeaux129
We are BR
Member since Sep 2007
15011 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 1:01 pm to
I personally like Cameron more but Jones has played well as of late. It's out of the question who will play, though, since Jurgy's clear favorite player on the team is Jones from an intangibles/sentimental perspective.
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