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re: John Terry to face criminal charges
Posted on 12/21/11 at 11:58 am to Bho
Posted on 12/21/11 at 11:58 am to Bho
UEFA has seemed to be promoting this anti-racism campaign for awhile. Would kind of surprise me if there weren't courses or seminars players were forced to sit through. Regardless, he's been living in Amsterdam and Liverpool for years and has played with black players. To me, 4+ years is a long enough time period to figure out what you can and cannot say to someone, but that's just my opinion.
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Posted on 12/21/11 at 12:47 pm to Cash
Jail for life! 
God what a retarded law. I'm sure it will make it over the pond soon.
God what a retarded law. I'm sure it will make it over the pond soon.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 12:56 pm to Cash
lulz @ Chelski
Posted on 12/21/11 at 1:11 pm to Ryne Sandberg
Fwiw JT's charge carries a maximum punishment of £2500 fine. No jail.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 1:14 pm to Bho
Death Penalty!!!
Posted on 12/21/11 at 1:20 pm to Ryne Sandberg
What if you call another player a bastard and he really doesn't know who his father is? It's true and your intent is to offend him. What's the penalty for that?
Posted on 12/21/11 at 1:27 pm to xavierTIGER
This has become a crazy argument. A tribunal has made a judgment. Both parties need to let it go
Posted on 12/21/11 at 1:38 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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Also, I'd have to disagree with the sentiments of some in these past two days that the statements of Suarez and Terry aren't racist statements, but mere descriptions of Evra/Ferdinand being black. Words have explicit and implicit meanings, and the implication from both of those phrases used were clearly negative in nature with regards to race. What things are like in Uruguay should be considered in Suarez's case, though he has been in Europe since 2007 so he should have a pretty good idea of what can and can't be said in Europe.
I know you aren't an unintelligent person, so I will let this slide. But this is one of the dumbest blanket statements I've heard in a while. Racial tendencies vary massively from country to country. There is no one way to act on a single continent.
The Netherlands is a very racially insensitive country. Racism has been virtually nonexistent until just recently (at least in public view). "Live and let live" is one of the phrases I learned while I was there. They try to live by it. Because of this, when referencing a black person by calling them a "black person" is not frowned upon in the least.
Have you read anything at all about Suarez and what his friends/teammates have said about him? Have you read what fellow Uruguayans have said about the term "negro" and its connotations in Uruguay? Do you know that he has black ancestry? Do you know about his ties to integration organizations? When taking all of this into consideration, it is clear that Luis Suarez is not a racist and would not say those words with racial connotation. He honestly didn't know. And on top of that, his English is terrible and the rules weren't communicated appropriately to him.
ETA Evra himself said that he doesn't think Luis is a racist. I know this doesn't rule out his potential use of racial slurs, but it goes a long way in showing what type of person he is. If a person is not racist, and says a racial slur that is not a racial slur where he's from, what does that mean?
ETA2 Not to mention the argument was in Spanish not English, and therefore it is very difficult to apply the English connotations to it.
This post was edited on 12/21/11 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 12/21/11 at 1:38 pm to Ryne Sandberg
There was a level of sarcasm in my post that barely hovered above the line of detection. But let's be honest, anybody who has followed this FA for a while realizes that their decisions are inconsistent at best and more often downright offensive...usually moreso than the actual offense. This tribunal is far from infallible.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 1:40 pm to Ryne Sandberg
Pool fans need to get a grip. Not all of them. I love listening to Sportstalk 92 on Sirius. Gives me a better perspective over there. Seems as if most agree with the punishment and some even calling for Suarez to be fired. (silly Brits).
Posted on 12/21/11 at 1:48 pm to Bho
I'm not going to say you're wrong about the mood in Liverpool...but from everything I've read online (message boards, articles, blogs, etc.) Suarez has full support and there is a strong backlash towards the FA. Regardless, it's a harsh judgement given the evidence available to the public...and you'd be pissed if the situation was reversed.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 1:50 pm to Bho
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Pool fans need to get a grip
A grip on what? We've accepted the sentence and moved on.
We lose our best player for 8 games and we're supposed to go on like nothing happened? We can't defend him?
Posted on 12/21/11 at 1:58 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
You were not one I was referring to. Also why is LFC wearing t shirts about Suarez today? Wouldn't it be best to not publicly taunt the FA?
Posted on 12/21/11 at 2:01 pm to Bho
Just showing support I guess.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 2:25 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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If you act outside of the normal scope of the organized event, you can be sued/charged. Doesn't happen as much as it could, but it certainly is possible and I think fair.
How could you possibly think that's fair? What a primitive, shamefully ignorant law.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 4:08 pm to Bho
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You were not one I was referring to.
Was it me? That's a legitimate question, not trying to be a douche.
I think I'm allowed to be angry over something I think is inherently wrong. It's a message board. Can't I vent about an issue in the thread it was meant to be discussed in?
Posted on 12/21/11 at 4:11 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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Regardless, he's been living in Amsterdam and Liverpool
Have you ever been to the Netherlands?
Posted on 12/21/11 at 4:23 pm to BleedPurpleGold
so is this gonna cost dykespikes his armbands?
Posted on 12/21/11 at 4:23 pm to Cash
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John Terry to face criminal charges
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Posted on 12/21/11 at 4:41 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
I apologize for the overgeneralization. Hard to type on a phone. What I meant was he's been around players of many nationalities and played in a large number of European nations in the CL, UEFA, league matches, friendlies, etc. In my experience, when talking to someone from another country, if you say something that is offensive where they are from, they usually tell you. For instance, if this is something he uses frequently, I would guess he has used it when referring to Glen Johnson. Maybe that never happened or if it did, maybe Glen never said anything about it. I could be far overestimating the amount teammates interact on a multinational soccer team. That was the point I'm trying to make.
And yes I know of all the things everyone has said about him, but it would be as unfair to judge him on those things alone just as it would be unfair for me to judge him on his diving, whining, history of fighting and biting. I don't think he's a racist, but I do know he's a fiery competitor who *could* have said something he *may* have known would be taken in a racially offensive matter. If he truly had no idea that it could construed as a racist statement, obviously that changes things.
And also, to whoever thought I was saying this particular law against Terry was fair, that was not my intent. I think generally that you should be held liable for criminal/tortious behavior which does not fall under the common happenings in whatever particular sport being played.
And yes I know of all the things everyone has said about him, but it would be as unfair to judge him on those things alone just as it would be unfair for me to judge him on his diving, whining, history of fighting and biting. I don't think he's a racist, but I do know he's a fiery competitor who *could* have said something he *may* have known would be taken in a racially offensive matter. If he truly had no idea that it could construed as a racist statement, obviously that changes things.
And also, to whoever thought I was saying this particular law against Terry was fair, that was not my intent. I think generally that you should be held liable for criminal/tortious behavior which does not fall under the common happenings in whatever particular sport being played.
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