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re: Is soccer in the US close to surpassing hockey as the 4th sport?
Posted on 7/6/14 at 8:52 pm to ohiovol
Posted on 7/6/14 at 8:52 pm to ohiovol
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Definitely. But that doesn't make them big (I know you weren't saying that).
Well, I guess "big" is relative, but anyway, just from my experience (both growing up in Columbus and going to a college a state over [which does have a substantial Chicago influence in the student body but is definitely a national school]) hockey is way more popular than soccer. I don't mean from a participation standpoint in youth (it's not there), I mean from a standpoint of what people talk about in conversation, watch, care about, etc. Again though, this is in the north and just personal experiences and observance.
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Posted on 7/6/14 at 8:54 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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That's the definition of niche.
No its not.
Soccer isnt played in rural areas, especially in the south or the urban cores. Thats a niche, granted its growing but its still a niche sport until it saturates these other areas of the country completely.
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This statement would be true 10, 15, 20 years ago. It's not anymore.
Its getting better and its growing but its not quite there yet.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 8:56 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
When I say it's not 'big', I mean the Blue Jackets are behind the Buckeyes, Browns, Bengals, Indians, Reds, and Cavs, and that's just in Columbus. I do concede they are ahead of the Crew.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 8:56 pm to kilo
I'm guessing living in such a white bread place like STL has led you to believe those things. It may be true there, but it's not true in places that have a diverse populace.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 8:57 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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'm guessing living in such a white bread place like STL has led you to believe those things. It may be true there, but it's not true in places that have a diverse populace.
frick, Klinsmann just made comments about the exclusion of great athletes into the soccer culture in this country because of what I said and he also said it needs to change moving forward if we are going to grow.
This post was edited on 7/6/14 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 7/6/14 at 9:00 pm to ohiovol
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In the United States?
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I saw it earlier. Did a VERY quick Google search and didn't see it, but did find this. NBC London coverage averaged more than 31 million viewers each night. So from that point of view, then events like track, swimming and gymnastics are more popular than basketball, baseball, hockey, soccer... everything but football in America. And obviously that's not true. That's why you can't use events like the Olympics and the World Cup for a "how popular the sport is" talk, because they move beyond the sport into a national pride/patriotism thing.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 9:00 pm to thesoccerfanjax
St. Louis is a hockey town, but it has a fantastic soccer culture. It's a shame it can't get an MLS team.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 9:00 pm to ohiovol
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When I say it's not 'big', I mean the Blue Jackets are behind the Buckeyes, Browns, Bengals, Indians, Reds, and Cavs, and that's just in Columbus.
Only behind the three Bs you listed.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 9:01 pm to kilo
He was referring to ONE ethnic group.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 9:02 pm to crazy4lsu
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St. Louis is a hockey town, but it has a fantastic soccer culture. It's a shame it can't get an MLS team.
Yea, its frustrating. There would be instant support for an MLS team. Dont think it will ever happen. All we can do is go out and support our USLPRO team.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 9:02 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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I saw it earlier. Did a VERY quick Google search and didn't see it, but did find this. NBC London coverage averaged more than 31 million viewers each night. So from that point of view, then events like track, swimming and gymnastics are more popular than basketball, baseball, hockey, soccer... everything but football in America. And obviously that's not true. That's why you can't use events like the Olympics and the World Cup for a "how popular the sport is" talk, because they move beyond the sport into a national pride/patriotism thing.
Oh, I concede the Olympics is still bigger than the World Cup in the USA. I just didn't buy that Bolt's run got more viewers than the USA games in this country.
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That's why you can't use events like the Olympics and the World Cup for a "how popular the sport is" talk, because they move beyond the sport into a national pride/patriotism thing.
That's why I tried to use the comparison between World Cup Soccer and Olympic Hockey. I agree it's still not really a fair comparison.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 9:03 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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He was referring to ONE ethnic group.
No he wasnt. come on man. He was specifically talking about the pay to play culture in youth soccer the excludes the poor and less affluent.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 9:03 pm to kilo
I'm really impressed by the soccer culture there. Had no clue it existed.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 9:04 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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Only behind the three Bs you listed.
In terms of overall 'fans', sure, since they loyalties aren't split between two cities. In terms of passion? I disagree.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 9:05 pm to kilo
That's never been much of a problem here in FL. I guess it has been in some places. Those who need the money and deserve it, will get taken care of here.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 9:06 pm to thesoccerfanjax
To be more specific: African American kids (not to be confused with black) don't skip out on soccer because they can't afford it. They skip out on soccer because, for the most part, they have no interest in playing the game.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 9:07 pm to kilo
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Soccer isnt played in rural areas, especially in the south or the urban cores
Well neither is hockey. Down in Mississippi a lot more schools have soccer teams now. Still needs work on the club level though since you only really have that on the coast, metro Jackson, Desoto county, or Tupelo.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 9:07 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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That's never been much of a problem here in FL. I guess it has been in some places. Those who need the money and deserve it, will get taken care of here.
Yea, it sounds like the push for the MLS academies will really help with this. Im glad that US soccer sees the changing of that culture as an important priority.
Think about Dempsey. We almost wouldnt have had him if someone didnt help him out with the costs to play high level youth soccer. That needs to change.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 9:08 pm to itawambadog
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Well neither is hockey. Down in Mississippi a lot more schools have soccer teams now. Still needs work on the club level though since you only really have that on the coast, metro Jackson, Desoto county, or Tupelo.
Thats why both are niche right now.
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