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re: How the hell can we be good at basically all other sports
Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:11 pm to okietiger
Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:11 pm to okietiger
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How does it change? How can we get the right coaches in to America (or groom them)?
Professionalize coaching to the extent that no kid from 5 years onwards gets taught by a parent who doesn't know what they are doing. That would be a start. But it is difficult to attract a generation of coaches from Europe when we don't have many of the basic services that Europe does, and when those coaches could find comfortable jobs in European FA's. We don't have that professionalization to the extent we need yet.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:18 pm to WarSlamEagle
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We're just saying that technical skill trumps athleticism in soccer.
American soccer's problem isn't athleticism, even if Julio Jones and Antonio Brown and any other uber athletic wide receiver in the NFL is playing football. It's technical skill.
I understand, and agree. Watching Ribery and Robben play makes it perfectly clear the importance of technical skills.
Let me restructure my point a little. We need better coaching and technical development, but they can only coach the players who want to play soccer. We need to do a better job of getting more kids in front of these coaches than we do now. The more kids in training with better coaching increases the likelihood of the next Pulisic. Right now the only kids getting good (not great) coaching are ones who don't choose to play one of the big 3 sports or have the family income to support it. If more kids were exposed to better coaching, we should be able to produce an Aubameyang or Harry Kane regularly out of the millions of athletes (in the broad sense of the world) in the US.
It all boils down to better coaching and development, access to it, and increasing popularity and access to the game (which is starting to happen).
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:28 pm to lionward2014
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We need better coaching and technical development
Everyone wants this. But suggesting that a random NFL star would have been a great soccer player ignores the mountain of evidence that suggests otherwise.
Let's take Michael Bradley for example. Can you imagine him coming through the French system? At 15 years old he could run forever, he is about as tall and as strong as you will find in central midfield players. If he grew up in France, he'd be oozing with technical skill, just by virtue of the French system. We've wasted him completely, as a player of his height and his running ability would be a gem of a youth player everywhere else. But his technical skills are not up to the elite level, even though his considerable athletic abilities allow him to play in Serie A for an upper-tier team. That's how good the athletes we already have are.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:36 pm to crazy4lsu
So is it hard for a supremely athletic person to learn technical skill?
Like is it almost a negative in soccer?
Like is it almost a negative in soccer?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:43 pm to okietiger
No it isn't hard per se. The sport and its training techniques selects for a specific type of athlete though. And once you get to 13 or so, your technical skills are set for the most part, which is why early engagement is so important. There have been many pro players who were deemed not good enough at that age eventually make it professionally, so it isn't an exact science. The mental aspect has to be right.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:31 pm to crazy4lsu
I'm the college soccer guy.
I will state again that we misuse this vast resource unique to the USA.
Before I explain my opinion, I want you to understand that I do not expect college soccer to produce elite, national-team caliber players. Nor do I think college soccer as it is currently construed with a short season and practice time limits is useful.
However, if we could change the restrictions on college soccer, it could be a resource to make soccer better on the whole in the USA.
If we invested in that aspect of the game, more players would be in a high level training environment that were passed over by our thin (relative to our country's size and population) scouting resources and these late-bloomers would then go on to become professionals in our domestic league or perhaps other leagues.
The more professionals we are stocking MLS with, the more attractive it becomes as a spectator sport, and the more attractive soccer becomes as an option for youths.
The more attractive it becomes, the more money it generates.
The more money MLS generates, the less money we can then charge the families of players.
I will state again that we misuse this vast resource unique to the USA.
Before I explain my opinion, I want you to understand that I do not expect college soccer to produce elite, national-team caliber players. Nor do I think college soccer as it is currently construed with a short season and practice time limits is useful.
However, if we could change the restrictions on college soccer, it could be a resource to make soccer better on the whole in the USA.
If we invested in that aspect of the game, more players would be in a high level training environment that were passed over by our thin (relative to our country's size and population) scouting resources and these late-bloomers would then go on to become professionals in our domestic league or perhaps other leagues.
The more professionals we are stocking MLS with, the more attractive it becomes as a spectator sport, and the more attractive soccer becomes as an option for youths.
The more attractive it becomes, the more money it generates.
The more money MLS generates, the less money we can then charge the families of players.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:32 pm to Tiger Phil
And to add to all that, I agree with the technical over athleticism argument.
I agree that pay for play needs to be phased out, but I am more pragmatic on how we do so. We can't just "speak it away". The club soccer DOC will not be happy to forego his revenue stream and therefore his salary.
I agree that pay for play needs to be phased out, but I am more pragmatic on how we do so. We can't just "speak it away". The club soccer DOC will not be happy to forego his revenue stream and therefore his salary.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:42 pm to Tiger Phil
Let me expand on the development issue here in the US. My kids are elementary and middle school. Both in pay to play developmental soccer. Great coaching and have developed good skills.
My oldest is in two leagues. He has been "selected" to have the opportunity to join their developmental teams. This would mean more money out of my pocket, and travel to practices of 2 of 2.50 hours one way.
If the coaches begged him to play and offered to waive the fees, we wouldn't do it. The travel is too much. I'm focused on raising kids, not athletes.
That model will work in larger cities, but it still pales in comparison to true club development that is done in other countries.
My oldest is in two leagues. He has been "selected" to have the opportunity to join their developmental teams. This would mean more money out of my pocket, and travel to practices of 2 of 2.50 hours one way.
If the coaches begged him to play and offered to waive the fees, we wouldn't do it. The travel is too much. I'm focused on raising kids, not athletes.
That model will work in larger cities, but it still pales in comparison to true club development that is done in other countries.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:14 pm to okietiger
Money.
Our best athletes play NFL, MLB, NBA because of the money. If MLS salaries ever approached these levels, which will never happen, then you'd see some kids steering towards soccer imo.
Our best athletes play NFL, MLB, NBA because of the money. If MLS salaries ever approached these levels, which will never happen, then you'd see some kids steering towards soccer imo.
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