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re: High Press vs highly technical team
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:53 pm to tigerfan88
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:53 pm to tigerfan88
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I think some of you are biased against the US and being reactionary. It really was as simple as them being clinical and is making silly defensive lapses. And our complete lack of a nine
The US being incredibly unlucky, NED being incredibly lucky, and our tactics being poor can all exist as true within the same game.
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Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:53 pm to tigerfan88
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And if Adams tracks his guy or Depay doesn’t hit a great one time shot it’s fine.
But that’s kind of always the case. Elite teams and players finish their chances. We didn’t and too often don’t.
We played ok in the first half but at no point do I think the Dutch felt uncomfortable. They had organization and numbers everytime we had possession in their final third and were competent in quickly transitioning on the break.
In my opinion this game was not one of equals at any point.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:57 pm to ned nederlander
I think that’s revisionist history because they scored and we didn’t. Dutch fans are saying the same thing if pulisic scores and Blind/Depay miss their shots or ream gets better contact on how one on one.
The Dutch are a good team they haven’t lost in like 20 games. We created chances and didn’t give up too many chances. We were never going to completely dominate.
I’m also very far from a Gregg fan. I just think the focus is not on some nebulous we had bad tactics front (what should we have done tactics wise btw?) but rather is management of the number 9 position the last 2 years and in this tourney
The Dutch are a good team they haven’t lost in like 20 games. We created chances and didn’t give up too many chances. We were never going to completely dominate.
I’m also very far from a Gregg fan. I just think the focus is not on some nebulous we had bad tactics front (what should we have done tactics wise btw?) but rather is management of the number 9 position the last 2 years and in this tourney
This post was edited on 12/3/22 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:59 pm to tigerfan88
I mean literally if we score that goal, NED doesn't even get the shot to counter for Depay's goal. 
I really wish the Ardennes Forest was more in Ned than Belgium b/c there would be a PERFECT "bunker" analogy for how we'd have started playing.
I really wish the Ardennes Forest was more in Ned than Belgium b/c there would be a PERFECT "bunker" analogy for how we'd have started playing.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 1:02 pm to Earnest_P
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From my viewing, the Dutch were the far superior side and would win that game 7 out of 10 times, even if we put away that first chance.
Weird to call the Dutch far superior on anything but their finishing (and marking a man at the back post lol). Our xG was basically even, and we spent far more time in their final third than they did in ours.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 1:05 pm to cwil177
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We didn’t take advantage of our opportunities and they were clinical on theirs. That ended up being the difference imo, and not some larger overarching tactical mismanagement/genius by the coaches.
I'm not suggesting that Van Gaal put on a masterclass, I'm suggesting that we were naïve because we are a youthful team who lacks experience at both player and coaching level. It wasn't mismanagement per se, but given how infrequent Netherlands attacks were, I'm guessing they sought to put pressure on the US in transition to see how they responded. If the US could have withstood that, then perhaps the Netherlands would have tried to change strategies. But alas we were who we thought we were.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 1:07 pm to crazy4lsu
I agree… but if Pulisic finishes that first chance the entire complexion of the game changes. We had to chase for 86 minutes.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 1:08 pm to cwil177
Their touch, passing, control, and intelligence were far superior. They would have found a way to score twice if they went down 1-0 in the second minute, IMO. Would we have found a second goal? I guess we will never know, but we all watched what happened when we attacked.
If a stat tells you that was an even game then I think the utility of the stat is limited.
If a stat tells you that was an even game then I think the utility of the stat is limited.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 1:10 pm to crazy4lsu
Also their midfield man marked MMA and then subbed two of those three midfielders at half time to keep fresh legs. The one who stayed on starts for Barcelona. Our guys ran out of gas.
Idk what was wrong with LDLT to not get a minute of playing time the entire World Cup. Probably injured or some shite. We needed better depth at midfield. I wish we had taken Tillman instead of LDLT if he wasn’t going to play at all.
Idk what was wrong with LDLT to not get a minute of playing time the entire World Cup. Probably injured or some shite. We needed better depth at midfield. I wish we had taken Tillman instead of LDLT if he wasn’t going to play at all.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 1:14 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Mental fatigue and youth played into van Gaal's wheelhouse sadly. That's how they make up for not having a true striker and using 2 wingers up top instead. They eat you alive on the mistakes. They did just that. It happens, and they're #8 for a reason.
I think we could play the same again and it be closer. Today just wasn't our day. Mind you, I wouldn't personally choose the approach, but Berhalter's not why we made it this far. The players have willed them here in spite of his decisions.
I think we could play the same again and it be closer. Today just wasn't our day. Mind you, I wouldn't personally choose the approach, but Berhalter's not why we made it this far. The players have willed them here in spite of his decisions.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 1:17 pm to cwil177
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I agree… but if Pulisic finishes that first chance the entire complexion of the game changes. We had to chase for 86 minutes.
It does and it doesn't. For me, at least, it was clear that Musah was not fully recovered from the Iran game, as he was noticeably less active in his spacing. I'd suspect most of our players were pretty tired. Playing on the break may have mitigated some of that, but I don't think we could have survived another 30 minute period of the low-block, which we would have employed if we had the lead by the 65th minute, if our previous games are anything to go by.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 1:20 pm to tigerfan88
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And if Adams tracks his guy or Depay doesn’t hit a great one time shot it’s fine.
The Dutch got one really good break off the press in the first half. They scored on it because our best player fell asleep defensively and they had a good finish. We created a much better opportunity that our star did not finish.
That’s the game.
And Adam’s had to track his guy running back to goal because we pressed too high and they broke it.
It’s fine to press high but completely unnecessary when they have total possession. Drop off and keep the game in front of you.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 1:20 pm to cwil177
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Idk what was wrong with LDLT to not get a minute of playing time the entire World Cup. Probably injured or some shite. We needed better depth at midfield. I wish we had taken Tillman instead of LDLT if he wasn’t going to play at all.
Wish we didn't take Moore and I really wish we didn't stick with Zimmerman, as his passing is woeful. Would have liked to see Scally. But we had no other real choices at CM. Insane that we took four right backs and only 6 central midfielders.
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