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Gauging the MLS

Posted on 8/6/22 at 7:17 pm
Posted by Alyosha
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 7:17 pm
If you had to compare the quality of MLS to another league in the world, which one would it be?
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 7:24 pm to
Mid tier championship to top of league one

Biggest issue is squad depth and the fact some owners don’t even bother being competitive and face no penalty for it

Franchises like LAFC have squads so much better it’s not even funny

Still it’s exciting to watch bc the league put a huge emphasis on signing high quality DPs that are attacking players. Even if they are on the back end of their career. But it shows how poor the quality is defensively in the league.

The Brazil model of quality home grown players and then shipped to Europe what MLS should strive for. We just need the quality of players who stay home to improve.

It’s an uphill climb to become a top league with how the league is ran and not being the most popular sport in America.
This post was edited on 8/6/22 at 7:26 pm
Posted by BlackCoffeeKid
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 7:26 pm to
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it’s exciting to watch

I do think the product has become much more watchable in the past few years. I actually enjoy throwing a match on the TV these days.
Posted by Alyosha
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 7:48 pm to
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exciting to watch


That’s still a tough one for me. I went to matches in its inaugural season, and have found myself catching highlights more often. But I don’t have a team per se.

That’s an interesting comparison you provided. What about compared to the other leagues in Europe? Is there a closer 1to1 similarity?
Posted by cwil177
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:26 pm to
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Mid tier championship

Pretty much
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top of league one

Nah. Unless you’re talking about DC United losing by 7 goals.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:29 pm to
Who is even your club

You keep throwing shade at DC

But the bottom MLS teams are League One quality
Posted by cwil177
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:32 pm to
Bro it’s so easy to throw shade a DC, literally all their teams are crap

I’m a Dallas baw now with your homie McCaig. So FCD til I die.

I agree about us emulating Brazil. That’s the direction it’s heading. We just need Garber to allow teams to open up their pocketbooks. I think the league is stable enough to do it now.

I don’t worry too much about the defensive side. Look at Holland. They’ve got a great national team and their league has crap defense, for the most part.

Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:34 pm to
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That’s an interesting comparison you provided. What about compared to the other leagues in Europe? Is there a closer 1to1 similarity?


Well it’s clearly not better than England, Germany, Italy, Spain, and France’s leagues

Probably knocking on the door of Holland and Portugal’s first divisions

Definitely better Belgium, Poland, Austria and the rest of Europe

For the Americas it’s still behind Brazil, Argentina and Mexico. But the top MLS teams are not getting steam rolled by LigaMX teams like in the past.

Posted by cwil177
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:37 pm to
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Probably knocking on the door of Holland and Portugal’s first divisions Definitely better Belgium, Poland, Austria and the rest of Europe

Not a bad place to be. Honesty the top teams of Portugal and the Netherlands are way better than any MLS team, but the bottom half is weaker than most MLS teams.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126568 posts
Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:39 pm to
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Bro it’s so easy to throw shade a DC, literally all their teams are crap


Put respect on the Caps

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I’m a Dallas baw now with your homie McCaig. So FCD til I die.


Talk about under achieving with so much local talent

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We just need Garber to allow teams to open up their pocketbooks. I think the league is stable enough to do it now.


Yea let them operate independently now, no more stupid MLS rules. Stop giving the shite owners equal shares. But if they let the league go big boy, the shite owners will definitely not give a frick and the gulf in class in teams will grow big time. Which I’m not opposed to. But pro/rel solves that lack of giving a frick.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126568 posts
Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:45 pm to
Yea that’s a fair assessment

But old boy the other day saying MLS would be a top six league in 8 years is out of his mind

For that to happen we need a fundamental change in how American soccer is run and not just the MLS. Also you are not going to be a top six league in the world while being the 4th at best most popular spot in your own country. First thing is having the most important part of MLS in the heart of the NFL and College football season is a kick in the nuts.

Competition against that trying to get views and revenue is always a loosing battle.

This post was edited on 8/8/22 at 7:47 am
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:48 pm to
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But if they let the league go big boy, the shite owners will definitely not give a frick and the gulf in class in teams will grow big time. Which I’m not opposed to. But pro/rel solves that lack of giving a frick.


The problem is you need owners with a ton of money to put out a decent product, but owners with a ton of money aren’t going to go for pro/rel.

They even tried to get out of it in Europe, where pro/rel is ingrained in the culture, with the super league.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:51 pm to
Yea guess who was helping leading that charge of the super league

American owners

MLS gives that safety net for not being or trying to competitive

Relegation battles is some of the most intense soccer out there on the pitch and with the atmosphere in the stands.
Posted by Alyosha
Member since Nov 2020
9412 posts
Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:53 pm to
Yep. Wish we had it, especially when you see Sacramento beat the Galaxy.
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
13088 posts
Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:57 pm to
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Also you are not going to be a top six league in the world while being the 4th at best most popular spot in your own country.


America has an insane amount of capital, so I don’t think it’s impossible.

F1 has demonstrated the amount of power America has in sports even when the sport is more popular abroad. The second America showed an interest in F1, they announced two new Grand Prix in the US.

The US isn’t the biggest hockey country but has the best hockey teams.

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First thing is having the most important part of MLS in the heart of the NFL and College football season is a kick in the nuts.


I agree with this, but I’m not sure how I’d arrange the MLS calendar. The winter months are practically off limits for Northern teams.
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
13088 posts
Posted on 8/6/22 at 9:00 pm to
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MLS gives that safety net for not being or trying to competitive Relegation battles is some of the most intense soccer out there on the pitch and with the atmosphere in the stands.


I agree with all this. As a fan, I’d love relegation in the MLS. I’d love for relegation to be a thing in CFB.

That said, I can’t really blame Don Garber because it’s clearly something the owners will never go for.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 9:03 pm to
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America has an insane amount of capital, so I don’t think it’s impossible.


But dumping money into a league that doesn’t make a profit will only continue for so long. Even if the owners make their money of US tv rights and not MLS.
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F1 has demonstrated the amount of power America has in sports even when the sport is more popular abroad. The second America showed an interest in F1, they announced two new Grand Prix in the US.


That’s an apples to oranges comparison
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The US isn’t the biggest hockey country but has the best hockey teams.
we’ll bc Canada is a huge hockey nation and the NHL has always been the best league with no competition. The best players in the world have always flooded here.


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I agree with this, but I’m not sure how I’d arrange the MLS calendar. The winter months are practically off limits for Northern teams.


It’s doable with a winter break and some scheduling changes.

Also another big thing is still letting MLS sides use plastic pitches, the game isn’t meant to be played on that shite.
This post was edited on 8/7/22 at 8:56 am
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126568 posts
Posted on 8/6/22 at 9:05 pm to
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That said, I can’t really blame Don Garber because it’s clearly something the owners will never go for.


Yea bc unfortunately MLS is the gate keeper into a much more profitable venture that isn’t MLS
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 9:19 pm to
Yes I’ve been saying this for a while. MLS has so much more parity that it’s hard to compare. The worst MLS teams are better than the relegation sides in Turkey, the Netherlands, Belgium, etc.

But their top sides would have the most points in the MLS regular season.

Mid-table is likely comparable to the lower second tier leagues (Belgium, Turkey, Greece, pre-war Russia and Ukraine).

The goal should be to bump up to mid-table sides being comparable with the upper second tier leagues (France, Portugal, and the Netherlands).
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
13088 posts
Posted on 8/6/22 at 9:20 pm to
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It’s doable with a winter break and some scheduling changes.


I don’t know. Montreal, Toronto, Minnesota - what do you do with those sides? The average high in those places is sub-50 from like October through April.

I’ve thought the MLS would need a winter competition in addition to a winter break. Some sort of pairing with Liga MX played in Hispanic heavy areas (generally warmer) during the winter.
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