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re: Former AC Milan Manager Sacchi says there are too many blacks playing for Italy
Posted on 2/17/15 at 12:59 pm to McCaigBro69
Posted on 2/17/15 at 12:59 pm to McCaigBro69
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The ability to flip flop based on parents visas or whatever country someone's grandparent is from is something that's always irked me.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:39 pm to Bench McElroy
First, I'm not defending Sacchi because his old way of thinking is a huge problem in Italy. However, the English media translations of precisely what he said are pretty imprecise.
1) A lot of older, non politically correct, Italians use "di colore" to mean foreigners/immigrants. They mean African but also Indian, Albanian, Eastern European, Chinese etc etc. . .
The more precise translation would not be "black" in English but "people of color" and probably the closest translation would be the connotation many American politicians/pundits try to achieve with "immigrants".
2) The tournament he was watching was the Primavera tournament (or club youth team) where Inter were facing Roma.
Those teams, like in England, have a lot of foreign players that are not even "immigrants".
It has nothing to do with the Italian youth NT setup at all.
This is what he was trying to criticize: that the clubs are training too many 16-19yo players that aren't even eligible for the Italian NT.
Again, I completely disagree with his mode of thinking and his quite incorrect notion that he can know which players are eligible for Italy just by ethnic appearance. I'm sure 50% of the players he was watching were Argentinian nationals instead of Italian but he didn't notice those.
At any rate, it's an old way of thinking that flies in the face of modern national boundaries.
However, the poor, as usual, English media translation turns the discussion to something other than what it is. It's wrong but it's much more similar to an American saying that too many "immigrants" (a thinly veiled Central Americans) are taking advantage of things the country offers and then returning the rewards outside the country.
1) A lot of older, non politically correct, Italians use "di colore" to mean foreigners/immigrants. They mean African but also Indian, Albanian, Eastern European, Chinese etc etc. . .
The more precise translation would not be "black" in English but "people of color" and probably the closest translation would be the connotation many American politicians/pundits try to achieve with "immigrants".
2) The tournament he was watching was the Primavera tournament (or club youth team) where Inter were facing Roma.
Those teams, like in England, have a lot of foreign players that are not even "immigrants".
It has nothing to do with the Italian youth NT setup at all.
This is what he was trying to criticize: that the clubs are training too many 16-19yo players that aren't even eligible for the Italian NT.
Again, I completely disagree with his mode of thinking and his quite incorrect notion that he can know which players are eligible for Italy just by ethnic appearance. I'm sure 50% of the players he was watching were Argentinian nationals instead of Italian but he didn't notice those.
At any rate, it's an old way of thinking that flies in the face of modern national boundaries.
However, the poor, as usual, English media translation turns the discussion to something other than what it is. It's wrong but it's much more similar to an American saying that too many "immigrants" (a thinly veiled Central Americans) are taking advantage of things the country offers and then returning the rewards outside the country.
This post was edited on 2/17/15 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:40 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Can't wait till my German born son kicks your kids and others like you in soccer
It will be because he's black, not German.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:44 pm to wm72
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as usual, English media translation turns the discussion to something other than what it is.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:45 pm to Bench McElroy
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This post was edited on 5/4/23 at 9:17 am
Posted on 2/17/15 at 6:30 pm to Bench McElroy
I think he's inadvertently questioning how Italy has so many black people living there and how they are one-upping the native Italian types in sport?
Posted on 2/18/15 at 11:06 am to AirRaidTT
So are the young players in the Italian club academies Afro-Italian (copyright that) or are they foreign born kids likely to play for another country when the WC and national teams are set up? If they will not be representing Italy, then I think he has a point about getting more Italians in the youth programs. If he is cmmentng indirectly on Italian immigration then that's different. IMO
Posted on 2/18/15 at 11:57 am to CFFO
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So are the young players in the Italian club academies Afro-Italian (copyright that) or are they foreign born kids likely to play for another country when the WC and national teams are set up? If they will not be representing Italy, then I think he has a point about getting more Italians in the youth programs. If he is commentng indirectly on Italian immigration then that's different. IMO
You should read my longer post above but, yes, he tried to criticize club youth teams (he was watching AS Roma - Inter - Hellas Verona playing in Torneo di Viareggio) for having too many non-Italian national players who will play for different NTs if they make it that far.
Not unlike in England, it's a common refrain when the NT does poorly that clubs/domestic league need to do better training their own country's players.
This is the first point most English media translated poorly.
There is something very wrong with Sacchi's comments in terms of race but it is simply that he assumes he can pick out which Inter/Roma youth players are Italian national eligible by ethnic appearance.
This post was edited on 2/18/15 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 2/18/15 at 3:29 pm to CFFO
Yeah, the first issue about clubs buying so many young foreign 16-17 players to train is really a difficult question because, on one hand it can impede chances for domestic players but it's also the most effective strategy for competing financially with clubs funded by sugar daddy owners.
Since I tend to personally be a much more passionate fan of AS Roma than any national team, I like that the club gets the best players regardless of nationality but I do see the point of the other side and a lot of people agree with Sacchi.
However, Sacchi is very wrong to simply make the assumption that all the players he sees that don't "look Italian" aren't and that kind of old fashioned thinking is a problem in Italy.
My frustration is that English press often gets crucial translation details so wrong that it almost seems intentionally done to create spicier headlines.
Since I tend to personally be a much more passionate fan of AS Roma than any national team, I like that the club gets the best players regardless of nationality but I do see the point of the other side and a lot of people agree with Sacchi.
However, Sacchi is very wrong to simply make the assumption that all the players he sees that don't "look Italian" aren't and that kind of old fashioned thinking is a problem in Italy.
My frustration is that English press often gets crucial translation details so wrong that it almost seems intentionally done to create spicier headlines.
This post was edited on 2/18/15 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 2/18/15 at 5:59 pm to wm72
Roma is my favorite Italian club. I was in Rome on my honeymoon the day Roma last won the Scudetto. It was a sunday and we were wandering around the streets while no one was out. I was oblivious to the fact that a match was going on until the game was over. The entire city emptied on to the streets and we joined the party. I still have my Roma shirt and a sweet Tottigol #10 winter cap.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 6:02 pm to CFFO
Batistuta was the aged star making one last run...Totti was a young star....would be nice if Totti could get one more..
Posted on 2/18/15 at 7:24 pm to CFFO
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Roma is my favorite Italian club. I was in Rome on my honeymoon the day Roma last won the Scudetto. It was a sunday and we were wandering around the streets while no one was out. I was oblivious to the fact that a match was going on until the game was over. The entire city emptied on to the streets and we joined the party. I still have my Roma shirt and a sweet Tottigol #10 winter cap.
That's great. I was living there at the time. The non-stop week long party was crazy. I had an old FIAT 500 at the time and it along with every car of my block got painted red and yellow with tempera paint sometime late that night. Half the shops in my neighborhood closed for the entire week.
And, yeah, one reason all the injuries the season have been so tough to take is that it's probably only this year and next year that Totti can lift another trophy.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 8:00 pm to wm72
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Not unlike in England, it's a common refrain when the NT does poorly that clubs/domestic league need to do better training their own country's players.
This is so true.
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My frustration is that English press often gets crucial translation details so wrong that it almost seems intentionally done to create spicier headlines.
Uh, you think?
There is a reason America formed its own country, namely that the English are twats.
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