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re: Englishman Says Americans Like You Annoy the Hell Out of Him
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:28 pm to AbuTheMonkey
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:28 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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I think it hurts that a lot of working-class fans have basically been priced out attending a lot of events, especially big games. Jim Bob from Altoona can't afford to go to more than one or two Steelers games a year.
This happens all over the world
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Also, when I said "they're just obnoxious f*cksticks", I was referring to some American fanbases, not European fans - just wanted to clear that up.
Yea and they would get the ever living shite kicked out of them
btw the Ultra thing is not overblown what so ever, shite is real.
This post was edited on 6/6/14 at 12:35 pm
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Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:32 pm to FunkasaurusReb
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I could be wrong, but I think a lot of that has to do with how little fans travel in pro sports.
Most the travel is due to transplants and bandwagoner in America. Away fans will never be big in the MLS our country is just to be and it's too expensive to fly every other weekend.
Other than the pacific northwest, the DC,Philly, NYC up to NE and Toronto to Montreal no one really travels. But id say the best traveling fan base in the MLS is TFC by far but they're not americans
This post was edited on 6/6/14 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:32 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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I don't disagree with this that much. I think it hurts that a lot of working-class fans have basically been priced out attending a lot of events, especially big games. Jim Bob from Altoona can't afford to go to more than one or two Steelers games a year.
Do you think this is limited to America? This is happening all over the world.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:34 pm to crazy4lsu
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Do you think this is limited to America? This is happening all over the world.
No, of course not - and has there not been a correlating decline in hooliganism in Western Europe?
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:39 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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If you mean no history of political or regional attachment, then yes, that could certainly play a factor.
American teams are not aligned with certain ideologies like some European teams, or split along class lines like others. Or teams with religious or nationalistic affiliations. Nor do you have teams that were for workers associated with factories that eventually became professional. American sports teams, despite how old they are, do not have as much nuance, which is why I think some people see soccer as cultured and cosmopolitan.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:41 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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has there not been a correlating decline in hooliganism in Western Europe?
Well fans have really started being priced out of games since the PL era, and the corresponding drop in hooliganism has as much to do with certain high profile events like the Heysel stadium disaster or the stabbings of traveling fans than the pricing out of the casual fan.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:43 pm to crazy4lsu
I gotta imagine, to some, the firm activities or more important than the actual match itself...
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:49 pm to crazy4lsu
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American teams are not aligned with certain ideologies like some European teams, or split along class lines like others. Or teams with religious or nationalistic affiliations. Nor do you have teams that were for workers associated with factories that eventually became professional.
For professional teams, that is certainly true, though there are a couple of exceptions (Cubs/White Sox probably being the most notable, but both have been so bad for so long that it's losing any luster it had).
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American sports teams, despite how old they are, do not have as much nuance, which is why I think some people see soccer as cultured and cosmopolitan.
It's interesting you say that, as college football programs have strong regional/state/religious/class identities, and it's not a coincidence that you'll find - probably by a good bit - the most loyal and passionate fans in America in its ranks (along with the biggest stadia).
This post was edited on 6/6/14 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:54 pm to TFTC
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I gotta imagine, to some, the firm activities or more important than the actual match itself...
It used to be but in England that shite is so locked down the cops wait at lets say Euston waiting on fans from the north or at different tube stops and grab guys. In Germany/Italy its a different fricking world now.
In Germany the cops just get in riot gear and do their best. I literally thought during the FCK vs Hoff game last year we were about to get in a massive scrap. No cops around and the Hoff fans in their bus were trying to get out.
Later on that night after the game our Ultras ran into the Hoff ultras.
This post was edited on 6/6/14 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:55 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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It's interesting you say that, as college football programs have strong regional/state/religious/class identities, and it's not a coincidence that you'll find - probably by a good bit - the most loyal and passionate fans in America in its ranks (along with the biggest stadia).
I think you are overblowing the identity-college football thing. It doesn't exist to near the same level as it does in European and Latin American soccer. It's not near the same level.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:55 pm to crazy4lsu
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I think you are overblowing the identity-college football thing. It doesn't exist to near the same level as it does in European and Latin American soccer. It's not near the same level.
Nothing in America does
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:58 pm to ohiovol
quote:The word "soccer" originated in England not USA. Normally they say that dumb shite not knowing its their own term, not ours.
to refer to the game as "futbol" when speaking English
Posted on 6/6/14 at 1:07 pm to crazy4lsu
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I think you are overblowing the identity-college football thing. It doesn't exist to near the same level as it does in European and Latin American soccer. It's not near the same level.
I wasn't comparing it to European or Latin American soccer clubs. I was simply pointing out that in the States, college football has much more of a cultural or social identity than does any other sport, and it's no coincidence that it has the most passionate and loyal fans.
It's died down a bit from what it was forty or fifty years ago, but it's definitely still there. I mean, shoot, you have an entire board up on the top left of this page in the SEC Rant that would be an interesting sociological study - pride in southern football as a vehicle for southern expressions of resentment after a century and a half of being condescended to and put down. My own university's program became famous almost entirely because of its religious identity. The American cultural implications of USC/Alabama in 1970. The slow death of the Midwestern programs as a symbol of the decline of the economic and demographic power of the Midwest. USC and Hollywood. LSU and it's appropriation of all things Cajun. Florida and their jorts.
It's there - certainly not on the level of the European or South American clubs, but it's definitely there. It's not there as a rule in American pro sports.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 1:12 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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I was simply pointing out that in the States, college football has much more of a cultural or social identity than does any other sport, and it's no coincidence that it has the most passionate and loyal fans.
yea we know college football is like that but is still a fraction of European soccer.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 1:13 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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It's died down a bit from what it was forty or fifty years ago, but it's definitely still there. I mean, shoot, you have an entire board up on the top left of this page in the SEC Rant that would be an interesting sociological study - pride in southern football as a vehicle for southern expressions of resentment after a century and a half of being condescended to and put down. My own university's program became famous almost entirely because of its religious identity. The American cultural implications of USC/Alabama in 1970. The slow death of the Midwestern programs as a symbol of the decline of the economic and demographic power of the Midwest. USC and Hollywood. LSU and it's appropriation of all things Cajun. Florida and their jorts.
You keep missing my point. There isn't a corollary for the development of soccer around the world with any American sport. Absolutely none. There isn't a comparison to be made.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:52 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I agree that the average fan in England is more loyal and passion than the average fan in America and they travel way better.
But, the country of England is a little bit bigger than the state of Louisiana. I mean that is way easier to travel that distance than to travel in the US. Plus, the public transportation, like the tube system, in England is perfect and wish we would have something like that. But its just cheaper and easier for them to travel over there, and the travel time is not bad at all due to the size of the country.
I mean going from Plymouth to Alnwick is just 445miles. And thats pretty much going across the entire country. Thats the most anyone would ever have to travel in England. Most of the time its just 2-3hrs in a train.
But I do agree that they tend to be more loyal / passionate fans of their respective team.
But, the country of England is a little bit bigger than the state of Louisiana. I mean that is way easier to travel that distance than to travel in the US. Plus, the public transportation, like the tube system, in England is perfect and wish we would have something like that. But its just cheaper and easier for them to travel over there, and the travel time is not bad at all due to the size of the country.
I mean going from Plymouth to Alnwick is just 445miles. And thats pretty much going across the entire country. Thats the most anyone would ever have to travel in England. Most of the time its just 2-3hrs in a train.
But I do agree that they tend to be more loyal / passionate fans of their respective team.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:53 pm to KG5989
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But its just cheaper and easier for them to travel over there, and the travel time is not bad at all due to the size of the country.
Wrong. Train prices in the UK make no sense.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 3:20 pm to KG5989
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But, the country of England is a little bit bigger than the state of Louisiana.
They still swamp all over the world
Posted on 6/6/14 at 3:25 pm to TN Bhoy
Whats more expensive.... fare for the train or gasing up a car for a roadtrip?
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They still swamp all over the world
This post was edited on 6/6/14 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 6/6/14 at 3:43 pm to KG5989
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Whats more expensive.... fare for the train or gasing up a car for a roadtrip?
that depends on where you live
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