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re: Chile vs Brazil-Round of 16
Posted on 6/28/14 at 2:26 pm to HandGrenade
Posted on 6/28/14 at 2:26 pm to HandGrenade
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You just acknowledged it hit his arm and chest. Don't change to fit your argument.
From that angle it looks like the top of the shoulder where it meets the chest. It's possible he could have used his bicep in a clever way but I can't see it on the replay. The shoulder/chest thing is rarely called a handball.
This post was edited on 6/28/14 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 6/28/14 at 2:28 pm to crazy4lsu
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The way he calls games results in more flopping.
What? Players flop to trick the ref. The flopping happens first. Then the ref reacts. He let play continue when he thought a player was flopping. He wasn't letting fouls go uncalled in the first half, he was letting flops get called for the most part. He wasn't perfect by any means but he had a mess to deal with because both teams were diving from beginning to end.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 2:30 pm to HandGrenade
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What? Players flop to trick the ref.
No shite, but when Webb starts the game swallowing the whistle, and then starts calling games super tight, the players flop at the first sign of contact since they know they get the whistle. This happens in a lot of Webb's games. He swallows the whistle at the beginning, a precedent is set, and players try to take advantage of it when he starts calling games tighter.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 2:30 pm to pvilleguru
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It hit his bicep.
It looked to me that it hit close to the shoulder but Hulk collected it with the top of his arm (top of bicep). Handball. I only saw a couple angles though.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 2:32 pm to crazy4lsu
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the players flop at the first sign of contact
This started very early in this game my friend. It's not like they started diving after 30 minutes of play or even 20. Within the first 2 minutes there were flops.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 2:32 pm to crazy4lsu
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I honestly don't see it being a yellow card worthy handball.
It's a yellow card because it was done with intent of creating a goal-scoring opportunity.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 2:39 pm to HandGrenade
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This started very early in this game my friend. It's not like they started diving after 30 minutes of play or even 20. Within the first 2 minutes there were flops.
And the duping of the ref got worse when the contact was absolutely minimal. Both of these teams have the proclivity of going down easy, and if Webb set the precedent early that it would take more than simply going down on your knees to call a foul, the game would have had a better flow, especially in the 2nd half, where the Chileans cleverly used this tactic to relieve pressure and win the ball back. Like I said, this is a trait in all of Webb's games. He called an insane amount of fouls. 51. That's unreal. Like I said, because of the way he called fouls at the first sign of implied contact, he destroyed the flow of the game, and became a bigger part of the game than he should have been. And because it was only the implication of contact, players went down immediately, thereby increasing the flopping.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 2:39 pm to DoreonthePlains
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It's a yellow card because it was done with intent of creating a goal-scoring opportunity.
Fair enough.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 2:43 pm to crazy4lsu
You said he swallowed his whistle and that was bad. Now you're saying he called too much.
Honestly, I'm not even arguing his game calling as much as I'm arguing diving in general. It's a shitty way to play the game, and it makes it much more difficult to call a fair game.
Honestly, I'm not even arguing his game calling as much as I'm arguing diving in general. It's a shitty way to play the game, and it makes it much more difficult to call a fair game.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 2:50 pm to HandGrenade
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You said he swallowed his whistle and that was bad. Now you're saying he called too much.
I said he swallowed the whistle at the beginning of a game, which is a particular trait of Webb's, and then started calling fouls tightly as the game went on as players tried to get away with more and more. Then in the 2nd half he called fouls at the implication of contact, which disrupted the flow of the game, which made players know that they're simulation would result in a foul being called on the opposite team. Don't you see how calling contact so narrowly increases the flopping? If a player knows he will get the foul if there is even the implication of contact, he has a massive incentive to go down, especially when players feel that the opposite precedent is set at the beginning.
I don't know any soccer fan who likes diving, but the way Webb called the game actually increased it, and also destroyed the flow of the game in the second half. The fact we are even talking about Webb this game means he didn't do a stellar job. The ref should be a non-factor in games, but by initially swallowing the whistle, and then deciding to suddenly start calling fouls after the 15th minute is a horrible way of officiating. And Webb does this pretty often. If he called the game tight from the beginning, let them play through some challenges, the game would have been much better, and players know they would have a hard time duping the ref.
This post was edited on 6/28/14 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 6/28/14 at 2:53 pm to crazy4lsu
The diving was consistent throughout. It cannot be blamed on Webb.
One could also argue that players dive more when they're tired which would explain why it gets worse later in the game. But this had diving from the start, and to me..it didn't get any worse throughout. It was bad the whole time.
One could also argue that players dive more when they're tired which would explain why it gets worse later in the game. But this had diving from the start, and to me..it didn't get any worse throughout. It was bad the whole time.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 2:55 pm to HandGrenade
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The diving was consistent throughout. It cannot be blamed on Webb.
But the way he handled it can definitely be blamed on him. Like I said, the diving increased because players had incentive to go down since they know they would get the foul. That's not a good way of curbing flopping. Players won't be as likely to go down if they know they aren't going to get the foul.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 2:56 pm to HandGrenade
I thought Webb did a phenomenal job.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 3:00 pm to crazy4lsu
He should've given Hulk a yellow card for all the flopping, which would've gotten him a red for the handball lol. But Hulk was probably the worst today. And it was the entire game.
The diving didn't increase. It was done throughout.
Obviously not if he swallowed his whistle at first and they KEPT DIVING which put him in a bad situation. He made a few wrong calls sure, but I think he did pretty damn good with good calls and some no calls.
The diving didn't increase. It was done throughout.
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Players won't be as likely to go down if they know they aren't going to get the foul.
Obviously not if he swallowed his whistle at first and they KEPT DIVING which put him in a bad situation. He made a few wrong calls sure, but I think he did pretty damn good with good calls and some no calls.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 3:02 pm to HandGrenade
I blame the players for a bad flow to the game. They kept flopping around which will slow the game down. When they roll around on the ground, almost forcing the ref to stop play just in case they actually need medical attention, they stop the game. The ref doesn't make them dive, or commit fouls for that matter.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 3:05 pm to HandGrenade
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Obviously not if he swallowed his whistle at first and they KEPT DIVING which put him in a bad situation.
He put himself in that bad situation by swallowing the whistle in the beginning. He could have set a precedent but he didn't. Again 51 fouls is practically unheard of.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 3:08 pm to crazy4lsu
Just look at this game now. The ref gets mobbed for every call, dive or not, by both teams. Same happened in the first game. Webb did just fine dealing with all of it.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 3:08 pm to TheWalrus
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I thought Webb did a phenomenal job.
He's been excellent the entire tournament.
Never been a big fan of how he calls games, but I've seen nothing major to complain about in this tournament.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 3:10 pm to Crede15
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Never been a big fan of how he calls games
Is anyone a fan of choppy games, or Webb swallowing the whistle at key moments?
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