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re: Atlanta United

Posted on 5/31/16 at 8:21 am to
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 8:21 am to
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No shite. After 20 years, we're still not at the point where we can afford to make big changes.


yup

the problem is the league makes moves counter productive to its growth.

We have what looks to be great things in what will happen to Atlanta, killed off by the disaster in NYCFC, when its become clear the MLS was just used by City Football Group to make the Man City brand worth more so they can spend more on players.

Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 8:23 am to
So you want a repeat of the NASL? Because I believe the same thing would happen if they get rid of the salary cap today.
Posted by JohnZeroQ
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 8:25 am to


I await every opportunity to use this pic.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 8:25 am to
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So you want a repeat of the NASL? Because I believe the same thing would happen if they get rid of the salary cap to


No, NASL was also a closed system

At the very least MLS should not have monopoly on the D1 status, let people come in and compete. Why do we even have divisional classifications without pro/rel?
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 8:29 am to
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How in the world can a closed, single entity league have clubs? Do you know what a club is? To call MLS outlets clubs would negate the meaning of the word.


i cant tell if you are joking or not. the meaning of the word club? that's basically anything. me and you can form a club, but at this point im not sure i want you in it.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 8:29 am to
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NASL was also a closed system

Yes, but the owners over spent in order to keep up with one or two teams and they couldn't afford it. We just don't have that many people willing to invest in clubs at this point.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 8:31 am to
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Yes, but the owners over spent in order to keep up with one or two teams and they couldn't afford it. We just don't have that many people willing to invest in clubs at this point.


If you opened the pyramid there would be more people willing to invest.

If you opened the pyramid only the teams that overspend will be punished.
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 8:31 am
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 8:31 am to
i remember when this thread was a simple thread about atlanta united before it got completely shite on by draconian sanctions.
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 8:32 am
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 8:31 am to
We should worry about getting all the MLS academies on stable ground before turning attention to pro/rel.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 8:32 am to
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i cant tell if you are joking or not.


You clearly don't have any idea what you're talking about
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126858 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 8:33 am to
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i cant tell if you are joking or not. the meaning of the word club? that's basically anything. me and you can form a club, but at this point im not sure i want you in it.


He's getting at the MLS being a franchise system

Clubs when it comes down to it don't operate on their own in the MLS.

A few of us have been talking about its issues for a while on here, but DS has taken it a whole new level of craziness.
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 8:34 am
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 8:33 am to
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If you opened the pyramid there would be more people willing to invest

It took about 15 years to finally get to the point where one or two guys didn't own multiple clubs.
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
97289 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 8:34 am to
i'm not the one who tried to pigeonhole the simple meaning of the word club. that was just the dumbest thing i've read.


LINK


and i dont even care about your stupid little mls argument. the point is you trolled this thread completely off topic. terrible poster.
Posted by BraveTiger225
Atlanta, GA
Member since May 2008
17662 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 8:35 am to
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We should worry about getting all the MLS academies on stable ground


AUFC does seem to be very attentive and dedicated to building the academy early. Really good foundation being laid there by the club leadership.
Posted by EastNastySwag
Member since Dec 2014
5978 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 8:35 am to
American sporting culture is entirely different than the world. We like our closed systems. we don't give a shite about the minor leagues. MLS/SUM is simply following the NFL business model and looks like methodical growth is paying dividends. Once TV money starts trickling in, we will see more Americans attempt to pursue soccer as a career.
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
97289 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 8:36 am to
quote:

He's getting at the MLS being a franchise system

Clubs when it comes down to it don't operate on their own in the MLS.

A few of us have been talking about its issues for a while on here, but DS has taken it a whole new level of craziness.


they're not clubs in that sense sure but a "club" doesnt have to be that exact meaning. The toronto blue jays can be a club. I'm not the one who said "do you know the meaning of the word club" though.

again...this thread was about atlanta united. thread is complete shite now. only one attention whore to thank for that.
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 8:37 am
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 8:37 am to
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We should worry about getting all the MLS academies on stable ground before turning attention to pro/rel.


Youth development in this country is a whole other bag of worms, but as long as MLS continues pocketing the solidarity payments they owe we won't make much progress there, either.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126858 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 8:38 am to
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American sporting culture is entirely different than the world. We like our closed systems. we don't give a shite about the minor leagues. MLS/SUM is simply following the NFL business model and looks like methodical growth is paying dividends. Once TV money starts trickling in, we will see more Americans attempt to pursue soccer as a career.


If the MLS ever wants to become a top 5 league and destination for top players like the Don keeps talking about. Lots of things about the structure need to be changed. But for now to keep it stable it works.

But this top 5 league by 2022 was just nonsense.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126858 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 8:39 am to
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Youth development in this country is a whole other bag of worms, but as long as MLS continues pocketing the solidarity payments they owe we won't make much progress there, either.


Pay to play needs to be a different thread...
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Member since Oct 2008
88509 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 8:39 am to
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i'm not the one who tried to pigeonhole the simple meaning of the word club. that was just the dumbest thing i've read.


how long have you been following soccer, serious question.
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