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re: Arsenal 2026/2027 Season Thread
Posted on 9/26/26 at 5:36 pm to texastiger38
Posted on 9/26/26 at 5:36 pm to texastiger38
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You do realize that being able to buy players without the risk of them busting because you can always just buy more when you aren't complying with rules is absolutely a sporting advantage, right?
You realize that would be reflected in that data, right?
If they kept buying busts and having to buy more, they'd be Chelsea.
Getting good value when they sell players is the opposite of displaying busts.
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Arsenal spent years selling their best players because they were paying off stadium debt. Don't you think they could have been better if they were just spending money however they saw fit? Financial rules be damed.
I'm not talking about those years because they're not relevant.
What do those years of Arsenal's history have to do with their spending now? Nothing.
If you want to talk about the actual years in question, you could argue Man City had an advantage, but Arsenal had institutional barriers to entry that gave them an advantage, too. PSR came about in 2013l largely to protect those barriers to entry.
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It's ok to be mad about the spending rules
Mad? I'm not mad. They're just absolutely irrational other than to protect legacy teams who have shown (not Arsenal) to be worse at managing clubs than Man City has
Man City has shown these rules are retarded
This post was edited on 9/26/26 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 9/26/26 at 5:37 pm to cwil177
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Legit asked me in the other thread why I would be skeptical that city are supposedly now running a clean operation. I guess he doesn’t know what a pattern is.
The transfer data is public. You think they're pulling a Clippers or something?
Posted on 9/26/26 at 5:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Getting good value when they sell players is the opposite of displaying busts.
Chelsea is still getting good value as well. I mean they basically broke even on Enzo.
Some teams are generally just better at selling players, whether that be agent relationships or dodgy sporting directors. Chelsea have bought a good bit of former City players/academy players because Joe Shields was once with City. Selling Savinho & Marmoush to Tottenham was GOOD business, but neither player is good enough for what they were sold for. 75M pounds for 11 goal contributions in 2 seasons in the PL?
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What do those years of Arsenal's history have to do with their spending now? Nothing. If you want to talk about the actual years in question, you could argue Man City had an advantage, but Arsenal had institutional barriers to entry that gave them an advantage, too. PSR came about in 2013l largely to protect those barriers to entry.
It allowed them to keep their books clean for when they thought it was wise to begin spending/competing again. Not sure what Advantage Arsenal had, they had to comply with the same rules and it's literally the reason why they were consistently selling their best players for years.
The "institutional barriers" are just: if you are good, you can make a lot of money, get in Europe and get a lot of sponsorships, allowing you to spend more money. Most teams don't spend wisely enough, and aren't patient enough to get there. And City likely wouldn't have had either, but they cheated, so they did.
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Man City has shown these rules are retarded
By willfully breaking them?
sure?Posted on 9/26/26 at 6:08 pm to texastiger38
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I mean they basically broke even on Enzo.
Enzo wasn't a bust. He was a guy who wanted out.
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. Selling Savinho & Marmoush to Tottenham was GOOD business, but neither player is good enough for what they were sold for.
Those are just examples of how Man City is such a well run club now, having nothing to do with the past cheating.
That wasn't even under Pep
Man City is really good at buying young players and developing them.
They rarely buy busts and are flexible enough to have good selling policies when guys want out (they are both accommodating to the player and firm in pricing).
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Not sure what Advantage Arsenal had, they had to comply with the same rules and it's literally the reason why they were consistently selling their best players for years.
I understand it put them at a disadvantage at the time, but that was brought up in response to me talking about how Man City is so well run now (specifically, net spend in the EPL over the past 10 year).
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The "institutional barriers" are just: if you are good, you can make a lot of money, get in Europe and get a lot of sponsorships, allowing you to spend more money. Most teams don't spend wisely enough, and aren't patient enough to get there. And City likely wouldn't have had either, but they cheated, so they did.
Is that why nobody has a shot at challenging or out-spending Arsenal, Man U, Liverpool, etc.? Chelsea post-Roman (who had to do the same spending to overcome the same barriers, which is funny that they don't get brought up now in this discussion).
From AI: past 30 years of English soccer titles:
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Title Distribution (Past 30 Seasons)
Manchester United: 10 titles (1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2012–13)
Manchester City: 8 titles (2011–12, 2013–14, 2017–18, 2018–19, 2020–21, 2021–22, 2022–23, 2023–24)
Chelsea: 5 titles (2004–05, 2005–06, 2009–10, 2014–15, 2016–17)
Arsenal: 4 titles (1997–98, 2001–02, 2003–04, 2025–26)
Liverpool: 2 titles (2019–20, 2024–25)
Leicester City: 1 title (2015–16)
English soccer is by no means a free market where good management alone can win you titles.
The same thing is happening in the UCL, too. I doubt English clubs would want financial regulations in play to make things more equal over all the major leagues in Europe
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By willfully breaking them?
No, but being nothing more than barriers to entry to prevent competition with legacy clubs.
Chelsea and Man City show after that initial spend to catch up, they can compete. It's impossible for any club to compete long-term with legacy clubs without this spending. PSR effectively protects legacy clubs from ever being challenged consistently.
Posted on 9/26/26 at 6:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The same thing is happening in the UCL, too. I doubt English clubs would want financial regulations in play to make things more equal over all the major leagues in Europe
I mean there are financial regulations, and they are more strict than PL rules. PL is moving to SCR, and you have to be at or under 80%, UEFA is 70%
It's a big reason why PSG sold/moved a ton of players after the 24-25 season
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PSR effectively protects legacy clubs from ever being challenged consistently.
So long as you are good on the pitch. Tottenham, and to a lesser extent Chelsea are going to be in a bind if they don't make Europe next season. Chelsea because they light money on fire consistently, and Spurs because they spent on ungodly amount of money and have finished 17th 2 years in a row
This post was edited on 9/26/26 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 9/26/26 at 6:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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naw.
The runners-up for Man City titles during the cheating period are:
Manchester United (for 2011–12 and 2017–18)
Liverpool (2013-2014)
Get a fricking grip and read sarcasm
Posted on 9/26/26 at 6:29 pm to texastiger38
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I mean there are financial regulations
That's not the same thing when the revenues are so disparate
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It's a big reason why PSG sold/moved a ton of players after the 24-25 season
That and just the generation aging out + Enrique's demands.
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So long as you are good on the pitch.
Man U has been incomprehensibly bad at managing their team and they're still protected
Imagine what Brighton with equal revenue spread around all the clubs. Brighton will never consistently challenge for an EPL title. It doesn't matter how well they are run. There are barriers they cannot overcome.
Posted on 9/26/26 at 9:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Imagine what Brighton with equal revenue spread around all the clubs. Brighton will never consistently challenge for an EPL title. It doesn't matter how well they are run. There are barriers they cannot overcome.
The PL is far and away the best place for lesser known teams to "compete". 67% of all PL revenues are distributed evenly among the teams. No other league is remotely close
It's funny because UEFA, & Bayern were the big drivers of FFP models. Real Madrid played a big part in getting added to FFP that higher revenue teams could spend more instead of hard spending caps. Everyone thinks it was the "red cartel" but the real purpose behind it was so teams couldn't build up retarded amounts of debt after the 2008 market collapse.
Posted on 9/27/26 at 10:59 am to texastiger38
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The PL is far and away the best place for lesser known teams to "compete".
Compared to other leagues with their own structural barriers? Sure, but these are facts:
Title Distribution (Past 30 Seasons)
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Manchester United: 10 titles (1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2012–13)
Manchester City: 8 titles (2011–12, 2013–14, 2017–18, 2018–19, 2020–21, 2021–22, 2022–23, 2023–24)
Chelsea: 5 titles (2004–05, 2005–06, 2009–10, 2014–15, 2016–17)
Arsenal: 4 titles (1997–98, 2001–02, 2003–04, 2025–26)
Liverpool: 2 titles (2019–20, 2024–25)
Leicester City: 1 title (2015–16)
3 legacy clubs (Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal)
2 "new money" clubs who had to pay a lot to overcome the barrier (Chelsea, Man City)
1 outlier
30 years. 1 outlier.
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It's funny because UEFA, & Bayern were the big drivers of FFP models. Real Madrid played a big part in getting added to FFP that higher revenue teams could spend more instead of hard spending caps. Everyone thinks it was the "red cartel" but the real purpose behind it was so teams couldn't build up retarded amounts of debt after the 2008 market collapse.
It's so that big teams play on different terms. These changes have made the UCL structurally impossible for an Ajax or Porto to win anymore.
The EPL money domination does make this interesting long-term, because in time that pool will be smaller to top-tier EPL teams, Real, Barca, Bayern, and PSG. Effectively no other team will have a shot at a UCL title anymore.
Posted on 9/28/26 at 8:07 am to SlowFlowPro
Sfp supporting financial fraud?
You don't say.
This is bigger than Arsenal, but your obsession with us is noted.
You don't say.
This is bigger than Arsenal, but your obsession with us is noted.
This post was edited on 9/28/26 at 8:08 am
Posted on 9/28/26 at 8:23 am to dgnx6
I guess there isn't really anything going on during this extended break, but it kind of sucks that the Arsenal thread has been hijacked.
Posted on 9/28/26 at 11:02 am to DestrehanTiger
Havertz please get healthy. Bernardo Silva is an absolute scum of the earth, even though I do like Portugal's squad; very talented.
Man City getting found guilty of 114/115 (pending appeal) is glorious also. Wild international break so far.
Man City getting found guilty of 114/115 (pending appeal) is glorious also. Wild international break so far.
Posted on 9/28/26 at 11:46 am to dgnx6
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Sfp supporting financial fraud?
Where?
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but your obsession with us is noted.
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