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re: Arsenal 2013/2014 Season Long Thread
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:38 pm to hendersonshands
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:38 pm to hendersonshands
Wenger really wants to develop those B and C level talents into A talents. It's failed, or rather, when those players reach a new level, they are sold because they feel the club lacks ambition. Can you imagine the team we could have had if Nasri, Fabregas, RvP, Song, among lots of others, would have stayed together instead of leaving the moment they matured? Lately we've been targeting older players who are more or less finished products, which hopefully means that if the right player comes on the market Arsene will spend the money.
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Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:41 pm to crazy4lsu
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What will probably happen is that we won't sign anyone this window and then scramble in January, overpaying for positions of need.
Sometimes a club needs to make a bold move in order to be special. It was absolutely insane for Bayern to spend €40 million on a defensive midfielder BUT they don't win the treble without Javi Martinez. I think if you asked any Bayern fan if they would do the transfer any differently, none of them would. Arsenal needs to make a splash and sign Luis Suarez. They sign Suarez, they're as good as Chelsea, IMO.
I'm not saying go crazy Galacticos on everyone, but assess your situation, find your position of need, and go out and get you a difference maker.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:42 pm to glassman
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Time to splash some around.
Why? Why not use the money wisely? Must it be used now?
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:45 pm to Aaron Ramsey
I'd say yes. We don't need to spend it all to sign a top player. We need a difference maker.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:45 pm to crazy4lsu
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Wenger really wants to develop those B and C level talents into A talents. It's failed, or rather, when those players reach a new level, they are sold because they feel the club lacks ambition. Can you imagine the team we could have had if Nasri, Fabregas, RvP, Song, among lots of others, would have stayed together instead of leaving the moment they matured? Lately we've been targeting older players who are more or less finished products, which hopefully means that if the right player comes on the market Arsene will spend the money.
I agree, I think Arsenal would be outstanding if they could keep those players. Wenger is great at developing players, you know how you keep those players? By spending money to fill the squad around them.
I know I keep referencing Bayern, but that's what I know the most. Bayern develops a lot of players, but they keep those players by remaining relevant. The club has the ambition to fill the squad with Ribery, Robben, Neuer, Dante, Mandzukic to be around Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Alaba, Kroos, Badstuber, Muller, plus the new wave of young players coming up.
I think Arsenal can do that.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:47 pm to glassman
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I'd say yes. We don't need to spend it all to sign a top player. We need a difference maker.
And if the "difference maker" is over-priced? Still a good buy?
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:48 pm to Aaron Ramsey
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Why? Why not use the money wisely? Must it be used now?
What's the point in sitting on it? We have cash reserves greater than the reserves of every other club. We don't need 200 mil sitting in the bank doing nothing for the team.
Wenger will definitely use the money wisely, as he always does, but we need to buy someone who will definitely improve us. Never again will we find a player like Henry for 10 mil or a player like Vieira for 5. Players are valued more appropriately by their clubs, and prices automatically go up if Arsenal are interested. If we want to be one of the big clubs of Europe, we should act like it.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:48 pm to Aaron Ramsey
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And if the "difference maker" is over-priced? Still a good buy?
Overpriced is all relative. Javi Martinez was an extra 20m overpriced but Bayern made that money back by winning 3 titles in one season.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:50 pm to hendersonshands
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Overpriced is all relative. Javi Martinez was an extra 20m overpriced but Bayern made that money back by winning 3 titles in one season.
And this is a rare case. Winning the lottery doesn't make you smarter than everyone else.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:50 pm to Aaron Ramsey
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And if the "difference maker" is over-priced? Still a good buy?
I can't see into the future, but a PL title and getting to the final 4 of the CL because of the signing would be worth every penny of overpayment.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:51 pm to hendersonshands
Yeah Bayern and Barcelona have to be the model we follow. They both have better youth academies than we do, but Wenger is amazing at developing teenagers into great players. Bayern have even recouped investments in players really well, which should show that the market is willing to pay for players cast off from super clubs.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:53 pm to Aaron Ramsey
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And if the "difference maker" is over-priced? Still a good buy?
If the difference between competing for the title and fighting for fourth place, then I don't think there is such a thing as overpriced. It's about needs and finding quality players who can fill them.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:53 pm to glassman
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I can't see into the future
That's what due diligence is for. A team will assign a value to a player and attempt to not exceed that value. The actual payout is not a reality yet. So how can anyone justify spending that much on someone when he clearly isn't valued that way?
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:55 pm to Aaron Ramsey
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So how can anyone justify spending that much on someone when he clearly isn't valued that way?
RM is willing to pay 100mm for Bale. Are you saying that Suarez is worth half of him? Suarez is a much better player.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:56 pm to Aaron Ramsey
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And this is a rare case. Winning the lottery doesn't make you smarter than everyone else.
I think Martinez was worth every penny. And he was only priced that high because he played for Bilbao, which makes them value their homegrown talents even more. But he was worth it.
I'm trying to think of players that are overpriced. A player like Soldado might be, but he's exactly the type of player Spurs need, thus he isn't overpriced. Someone help me with some examples.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:57 pm to Aaron Ramsey
In 2007, Bayern broke their club record to buy Franck Ribery for €25 million. In 2009, they spent another €25 million for Arjen Robben. In 2011, they bought Manuel Neuer for €22 million. That was a hell of a lot of money in those years. It was worth it because you keep your homegrown stars at your club and you make the 3 CL finals in 4 years.
Arsenal has a lot of money and Wenger is usually a good judge of talent, just go for it one year and see what happens.
Arsenal has a lot of money and Wenger is usually a good judge of talent, just go for it one year and see what happens.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:57 pm to glassman
Bale isn't worth 100M£. That is ludicrous.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:57 pm to Aaron Ramsey
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And if the "difference maker" is over-priced? Still a good buy?
Yes. That's the point. Worth doing from time to time. Suarez's value is probably closer to £40m, but the current market adds £10-15m to that. Is challenging for the title worth that? Most people would probably say yes.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:59 pm to Aaron Ramsey
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That's what due diligence is for. A team will assign a value to a player and attempt to not exceed that value. The actual payout is not a reality yet. So how can anyone justify spending that much on someone when he clearly isn't valued that way?
Value in this sense is arbitrary. Spending 50 mil on Suarez would have been awful business after the 8-2 debacle, but with the team rebuilt, why not take that gamble? Would you rather spend 15 mil on players the caliber of Gervinho and Park, or would you rather spend 50 mil on Suarez and get three times the production?
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:00 am to hendersonshands
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Wenger is usually a good judge of talent, just go for it one year and see what happens.
He also is a good judge of the value of the talent. If they feel desperate, then spend the money. They don't seem desperate to me.
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