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re: Arsenal 2013/2014 Season Long Thread
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:01 am to Aaron Ramsey
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:01 am to Aaron Ramsey
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Bale isn't worth 100M£. That is ludicrous.
He's not worth that much to most clubs but he's worth that to Spurs. Real has never been shy about throwing money around and they think the addition of Bale gets them La Liga and the Champions League. If he does, then he's worth the 100m.
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Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:03 am to Aaron Ramsey
Well Bale might be worth that two two teams, Real and Spurs, but there is no way to objectively ascertain his real value. Everything is perceived value, based on what sellers want and what buyers want. I don't think he's worth it, but by spending that much on Bale, you ensure that he becomes a superstar, ensuring you get a percentage of that money back through other forms of revenue, as well as satiate the insane Madrid faithful. In truth, Madrid exist in their own world in terms of money, as they can basically print money, so usually if they want a player they will get him.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:03 am to Aaron Ramsey
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He also is a good judge of the value of the talent
There's no such thing thing as a standardized value for any such player. If Luis Suarez is the difference between 3rd place and a quarterfinal exit in the CL and 1st or 2nd and a semi-final or final run in the CL, then 50m will be a bargain.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:05 am to Aaron Ramsey
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He also is a good judge of the value of the talent. If they feel desperate, then spend the money. They don't seem desperate to me.
We aren't desperate, but its obvious we need a striker who can breakdown teams when everything is going wrong. How many times did we have a player like Fab, Henry, Bergkamp, RvP, Nasri for a couple months, just decide to win games on their own. That ability is what creates value, and that is what we need, especially if we want to compete domestically and abroad.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:09 am to hendersonshands
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There's no such thing thing as a standardized value for any such player. If Luis Suarez is the difference between 3rd place and a quarterfinal exit in the CL and 1st or 2nd and a semi-final or final run in the CL, then 50m will be a bargain.
Suarez could be the antichrist and cause Arsenal to be relegated. Then it wouldn't be worth the 50M£. That's just a hypothetical. Just like everyone else that believes he will slide in and produce 21 goals on 32 appearance if they sign him for 55M£. It just seems like a bad value to me in my opinion. The money is burning a hole in the fan's pockets but the team seems very confident in their current squad. The money is not wasted if it sits unused in this transfer period.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:10 am to Aaron Ramsey
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Bale isn't worth 100M£. That is ludicrous.
Why not?
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:10 am to crazy4lsu
I think you and I are on the same page here. I just think Arsenal should be able to do better than Chamakh.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:15 am to Aaron Ramsey
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but the team seems very confident in their current squad. The money is not wasted if it sits unused in this transfer period.
There have been several quotes by players saying they need another striker. We are deep, but lacking in the exact positions where we had talents we sold last year. There is no use for the board to tell us they have money to spend and then they don't spend it. In fact fans were told 2013 was the year that we would begin to spend money. Now we have money, along with an influx of up to 30 mil a season from new endorsements, and we still don't spend? I'm not advocating spending for the sake of spending, all I'm saying is that we should target players we need, meet their valuations, and then integrate them into the team.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:16 am to Aaron Ramsey
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Suarez could be the antichrist and cause Arsenal to be relegated. Then it wouldn't be worth the 50M£. That's just a hypothetical. Just like everyone else that believes he will slide in and produce 21 goals on 32 appearance if they sign him for 55M£. It just seems like a bad value to me in my opinion. The money is burning a hole in the fan's pockets but the team seems very confident in their current squad. The money is not wasted if it sits unused in this transfer period.
You're entitled to your own opinion, that's fine. I just think it's silly to not take a risk just because it might not work out. Chelsea struck out on Fernando Torres for the most part, but they recovered. All teams strike out every now and then. Bayern chose Breno over Hummels and Breno's in prison now.
You can't just go around throwing cash at everything but you have to take a risk if you want to win a championship. You have to be smart about your risks though, has to be a calculated risk. Suarez has already been highly successful in the Premier League, it's a lot less of a risk than buying a talented guy from the Brazilian or Dutch league.
This post was edited on 8/5/13 at 12:17 am
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:20 am to hendersonshands
God I hated the Chamakh signing from the beginning, as it was obvious he was someone who was there to fill a roster space. He was useful for a little while, but he wasn't top quality. Still I think we would have won something the year RvP went down if we had him. The move to striker basically ended Arshavin's career, which was unfortunate because he was awesome that first year and a half.
I'm not saying we should pay a lot for just any player, but we should pay for a quality player who can take us to the next level. Relying on players like Gervinho, Chamakh, and other equally average players just wasn't good enough.
I'm not saying we should pay a lot for just any player, but we should pay for a quality player who can take us to the next level. Relying on players like Gervinho, Chamakh, and other equally average players just wasn't good enough.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:22 am to hendersonshands
I don't really see how Suarez is a risk in any sense other than his behavior.
He has had massive success in this league, and has improved every season. With no suspensions, I could see him netting 25-30 times in the Prem for Arsenal next season.
He also isn't on ridiculous wages, though I do believe he would be Arsenal's highest paid player.
He has no injury history, and he keeps his body in top shape.
He also has a fantastic attitude on the pitch, one that you want on your team.
He has had massive success in this league, and has improved every season. With no suspensions, I could see him netting 25-30 times in the Prem for Arsenal next season.
He also isn't on ridiculous wages, though I do believe he would be Arsenal's highest paid player.
He has no injury history, and he keeps his body in top shape.
He also has a fantastic attitude on the pitch, one that you want on your team.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:28 am to LSUSOBEAST1
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I don't really see how Suarez is a risk in any sense other than his behavior.
I think Wenger can handle him. I mean, Vieira spit at a dude, Adebayor stole everyone's cleats, Gallas was a count, RvP was a count, Reyes was a little bitch, Nasri was a count, and Henry had an ego the size of the Emirates. He probably won't fit with our current players but I don't think he would give a shite.
I'm already practicing my rationalizations in case we get Luis, in case you were wondering.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:28 am to LSUSOBEAST1
In the modern world of European footy, Luis Suarez is about as sure of an investment as you can get for an English team. Hell, if Bayern had not paid ~55m for Götze + Thiago, I think they'd be in on Suarez right now.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:30 am to LSUSOBEAST1
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25-30 times in the Prem for Arsenal next season
Seriously? In 32 matches, you believe this is a realistic number? Van Persie only scored 26 in 35 games with United last season. Do you really believe that Suarez will come in and exceed that number on fewer appearances?
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:31 am to crazy4lsu
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Vieira spit at a dude, Adebayor stole everyone's cleats, Gallas was a count, RvP was a count, Reyes was a little bitch, Nasri was a count, and Henry had an ego the size of the Emirates
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:34 am to crazy4lsu
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I'm already practicing my rationalizations in case we get Luis, in case you were wondering.
I have an entire fricking book I could send you at this point.
Suarez really is a good guy, he's just a fricking nut case on the pitch. All of his teammates rave about him, and he is an incredible player to have in training because he plays at 110% every minute a ball is in front of him.
I really do think he puts Arsenal on par with United/Chelsea. I still consider City to be one up on those two though.
I hope he doesn't fricking leave. Especially to Arsenal. I won't ever hate him or anything like that, I'm just not that type of person in general, but I will be distraught and inconsolable for weeks.
This post was edited on 8/5/13 at 12:35 am
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:36 am to Aaron Ramsey
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Seriously? In 32 matches, you believe this is a realistic number? Van Persie only scored 26 in 35 games with United last season. Do you really believe that Suarez will come in and exceed that number on fewer appearances?
In all honesty I did forget about the 6 matches to start the season. So probably closer to 20-25. He did score 23 in 33 last season though - an extra 2 in one less match isn't impossible. But yes, I do believe he is a 25-30 goal player in the Prem given a full season and a quality squad. Hell he scored 40 goals in 56 total matches last year for club and country.
This post was edited on 8/5/13 at 12:38 am
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:40 am to LSUSOBEAST1
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I hope he doesn't fricking leave. Especially to Arsenal. I won't ever hate him or anything like that, I'm just not that type of person in general, but I will be distraught and inconsolable for weeks.
Oh I know the feeling with RvP. It's like when you break up with a girl and you see her out the next week with a new doofus and your like "What the hell dorkwhore? I didn't know you could do that" and she's like "Whatever we didn't even date" and then your like "This Mike's hard lemonade sure goes down smooth."
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:40 am to LSUSOBEAST1
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In all honesty I did forget about the 6 matches to start the season. So definitely change that to 20-25. But yes, I do believe he is a 25-30 goal player in the Prem given a full season and a quality squad.
That's the thing. I don't see him being an immediate impact for this season. So why waste the money on him now? If something better comes along next season and we spent everything on Suarez this season, we're fricked.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:41 am to Aaron Ramsey
We got plenty of money now. We can buy at least one big name player a year with the new endorsements.
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