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Posted on 7/21/19 at 5:41 pm to Wednesday
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I trust Iranians less than the North Koreans.
Exactly!
Kim the Fat wants to live.
The Ayatollahs want martyrdom to bring the 12th Imam back so that Allah will force women to have sex with them.
Posted on 7/21/19 at 5:53 pm to volod
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Allowing free and fair elections. You mean like the Shah of Iran in 1950s?
Sorry but your logic or lack there of escapes me.
What does a Westward leaning monarchy have to do with terrorism leaning theocracy?
Posted on 7/21/19 at 5:53 pm to SUB
For there to no longer be an Iran
Posted on 7/21/19 at 5:55 pm to indianswim
quote:KSA supported 9/11 And we are selling them nuke technology.
And stop funding/supporting terror groups.
Pakistan harbored Bin Laden and the other terrorist leader caught months ago and we pay them to be our friend with nukes.
What did Iran do against the US?
Posted on 7/21/19 at 5:56 pm to Gaspergou202
quote:they had elections. We overthrew that government.
Sorry but your logic or lack there of escapes me.
What does a Westward leaning monarchy have to do with terrorism leaning theocracy?
Posted on 7/21/19 at 6:49 pm to mmcgrath
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they had elections. We overthrew that government.
That’s not as simple as you make it sound. The government run by PM Mohammad was given emergency powers by parliament. He then suspended the elections and closed parliament. He was running Iran as an unelected dictator. He was opposed by the Shah because he wanted to reduce the Shah’s power, he was opposed by the British because he was throwing them out of the country’s oil, and he was opposed by the US and the Shite clergy who suspected him of communist tendencies. The CIA masterminded the PM’s overthrow.
Posted on 7/21/19 at 7:16 pm to SUB
They would need to agree to open a Best Stop and a Honeybaked Ham store.
Once there, they would learn that Islam has had it wrong all along. Cracklins for World peace.
Once there, they would learn that Islam has had it wrong all along. Cracklins for World peace.
Posted on 7/21/19 at 7:20 pm to Wednesday
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They want to build a nuke so they can sell it to terrorists. Not one other reason.
That’s a profoundly stupid assertion.
Posted on 7/21/19 at 7:23 pm to mmcgrath
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What did Iran do against the US?
Wow!
1-Took your fellow Americans hostage!
2-Hezbollah, a Shite Islamist organization and client of Iran, has been involved in several anti-American terrorist attacks, including the April 1983 United States Embassy bombing which killed 17 Americans, the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing which killed 241 US peace keepers in Lebanon, and the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing that murdered 19 U.S. Air Force personnel. 277 of your fellow Americans killed.
3-Iran Gave weapons, training, and support to the Iraqi insurgency. Iran armed their allies among the Shiite militias, including those of the anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi army. Evidence for this was recovered weapons, including mortars, rockets and munitions bear Iranian markings. US commanders reported that these bombs inflicted 30 percent of all American military casualties in Iraq excluding Al Anbar Governorate, where these weapons had not been found. Furthermore, US intelligence obtained satellite photographs of three training camps for Iraqi insurgents near Iran's capital where they were trained in guerrilla tactics, kidnapping and assassination.
4-In April 2009, Iranian-American journalist Roxana Saberi was sentenced to eight years in prison after being convicted of spying for the United States.
5-In July 2009, American hikers were arrested in Iran after they accidentally crossed into Iranian territory.
6-On June 20, this year, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps shot down a U.S. RQ-4A Global Hawk surveillance drone.
Posted on 7/21/19 at 7:24 pm to mmcgrath
I’m not for our relationship with KSA either.
Once again, you prove to be obtuse.
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What did Iran do against the US?
Once again, you prove to be obtuse.
Posted on 7/21/19 at 7:48 pm to Gaspergou202
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2-Hezbollah, a Shite Islamist organization and client of Iran, has been involved in several anti-American terrorist attacks, including the April 1983 United States Embassy bombing which killed 17 Americans, the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing which killed 241 US peace keepers in Lebanon, and the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing that murdered 19 U.S. Air Force personnel. 277 of your fellow Americans killed
A) Hezbollah is not Iran. The US has more connections to AQ and ISIS.
B) the Khobar towers were blown up by a bunch of Saudi Arabians. The group threatened to blow up the towers if the US did not leave the KSA. The KSA refused to hand over the suspects and we still don't know where they are. One was arrested in Lebanon in 2015, apparently having been released. That does not sound like Iran to me.
quote:I'll Mark this up next to the intelligence of WMD's since they came from the same administration.
3-Iran Gave weapons, training, and support to the Iraqi insurgency. Iran armed their allies among the Shiite militias, including those of the anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi army. Evidence for this was recovered weapons, including mortars, rockets and munitions bear Iranian markings. US commanders reported that these bombs inflicted 30 percent of all American military casualties in Iraq excluding Al Anbar Governorate, where these weapons had not been found. Furthermore, US intelligence obtained satellite photographs of three training camps for Iraqi insurgents near Iran's capital where they were trained in guerrilla tactics, kidnapping and assassination
quote:released after 101 days. And shame on you for no pic.
4-In April 2009, Iranian-American journalist Roxana Saberi was sentenced to eight years in prison after being convicted of spying for the United States.
quote:We hold border crossers longer, and they were released after 14 months. This and #4 aren't even worth a mention.
5-In July 2009, American hikers were arrested in Iran after they accidentally crossed into Iranian territory.
quote:meh. It was probably in their territory.
6-On June 20, this year, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps shot down a U.S. RQ-4A Global Hawk surveillance drone.
Posted on 7/21/19 at 7:49 pm to indianswim
quote:Yet you have no answer.
Once again, you prove to be obtuse
Posted on 7/21/19 at 7:52 pm to SUB
Return to Iran prior to the Iranian revolution that set them back not decades but centuries.
Posted on 7/21/19 at 7:53 pm to SUB
Getting back to the OP: We should lift the sanctions tied to the JCPOA. Then we should offer to lift some of the remaining if they allow monitoring of all long range missiles. It is stupid to think we can limit short or medium range missiles in any country, which is what this latest nonsense is all about.
Posted on 7/21/19 at 7:58 pm to Gaspergou202
We need to get over ourselves.
The embassy crisis was 40 years ago, and Iraq and Afghanistan. They were war zones. Iran wanted it to go their way. And they intervened. That’s life.
We need to think about what our interests actually are.
The embassy bombing is somewhat murky. It predates the official emergence of Hezbollah, and we’ve never officially tied it to them. If we want to assassinate individuals involved, that’s fine, but it shouldn’t determine our policy in the region. The bombing happened in 83 and it was a one off.
The embassy crisis was 40 years ago, and Iraq and Afghanistan. They were war zones. Iran wanted it to go their way. And they intervened. That’s life.
We need to think about what our interests actually are.
The embassy bombing is somewhat murky. It predates the official emergence of Hezbollah, and we’ve never officially tied it to them. If we want to assassinate individuals involved, that’s fine, but it shouldn’t determine our policy in the region. The bombing happened in 83 and it was a one off.
Posted on 7/21/19 at 7:59 pm to mmcgrath
Wow mmcgrath, if you bend over backwards any more to exonerate the Iranians and condemn America your back will snap at every vertebrae! 
Posted on 7/21/19 at 8:07 pm to Gaspergou202
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What would be needed to lift sanctions on Iran?
Reject islam, spit on the koran, kneel and repent. Stop screwing your goats and killing your women. Learn the subtle joys of bacon, get a dog and learn to use toilet paper....is what some people might say.
Posted on 7/21/19 at 8:12 pm to Gaspergou202
quote:I'm not exonerating anyone. Just that if you list enemies who have harmed the US, and KSA was on that list, Iran would be a distant 2nd, and likely further down if you included Pakistan. Hell, our own country has inflicted more harm to US interests in all likelihood by carrying on in the ME.
Wow mmcgrath, if you bend over backwards any more to exonerate the Iranians and condemn America your back will snap at every vertebrae!
Posted on 7/21/19 at 8:46 pm to Dale51
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Reject islam, spit on the koran, kneel and repent. Stop screwing your goats and killing your women. Learn the subtle joys of bacon, get a dog and learn to use toilet paper....is what some people might say.
You’re talking about Arabs.
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