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re: Would you have supported a smaller healthcare reform act, specifically one that
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:39 pm to Rex
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:39 pm to Rex
Rex, I'll be honest with you, I have very little knowledge about health insurance law and specific workings. I am aware that before the ACA, states had high risk pools for people that had PE conditions. In CA for example, it was known as HIPPA
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:42 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Rex, I'll be honest with you, I have very little knowledge about health insurance law and specific workings. I am aware that before the ACA, states had high risk pools for people that had PE conditions. In CA for example, it was known as HIPPA
It was true for Louisiana, too. Very high premiums.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:43 pm to Rex
How many people with Obamacare insurance now have coverage without doctors...
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:43 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Why not just carry accident insurance and after you are diagnosed with something, then get full medical insurance. If you are never diagnosed with something serious, don't buy insurance.
What could possibly go wrong with that?
What could possibly go wrong with that?
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:44 pm to wickowick
I don't know of any. Do you?
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:47 pm to Rex
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It was true for Louisiana, too. Very high premiums.
Hence:
1) Insurance was available;
2) The premium was set based on the risk.
Thus, the assertion people with preexisting conditions could not get coverage was a fallacy.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:49 pm to udtiger
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the assertion people with preexisting conditions could not get coverage was a fallacy.
You couldn't get coverage if you couldn't afford the premiums.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:50 pm to Rex
I cant get a health club membership if i cant afford the dues, shouldn't someone help me with that??
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:51 pm to Rex
Which is the entire fricking goal of an insurance company
Analyze risk and increase $ based on said risk....
Analyze risk and increase $ based on said risk....
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:51 pm to Rex
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merely outlawed insurance companies from discriminating against people with pre-existing conditions?
I would have supported one that would have lowered health care cost by changing the pricing model WHICH would have had the effect of making pre-existing conditions a non-issue.
The IBFreeman health care plan would have taken all government provided health care to a voucher-based system that would have allowed recipients to keep any savings they were able to negotiate from providers. For example medicare people would get a $2000 a month voucher to subscribe to health care services or to buy health insurance. If they could but it for $1500 they would keep the difference.
The IBFreeman plan accomplishes a few very positive things for all of us.
First it makes shoppers out of millions of people. They will be much better shoppers than the government. They will be rewarded for buying lower cost plans while requiring the purchase of healthcare. This incentive will bring thousands of uninsured to the market.
Second it will end the direct purchasing of health care by the government which is filled with corruption and is the main reason health care cost have increased more than the rate of inflation.
Third it will encourage the creation of subscription-based health care eliminating the overhead insurance companies create. This will be the end of health insurance companies. They may morph into subscriber companies but the insurance unknowns will disappear.
Fourth this will allow providers to have predictable streams of income. The impact of pre-existing conditions will be much smaller. The cost in health care is too a large extent fixed. For example, Our Lady of the Lake has similar day to day cost if they do an open heart surgery on a day as they do on a day they do not. It really does not add to their cost to take on a pre-existing condition in a subscription-based pricing system.
Democrats should embrace such a plan because it incentivizes people to get insured and it makes universal coverage a reality.
Republicans should embrace it because it will change the pricing model and end the ever rising floor the direct purchase of health care by the government creates.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:51 pm to fleaux
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I cant get a health club membership if i cant afford the dues, shouldn't someone help me with that??
Would you die without a health club membership?
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:52 pm to Rex
Since when are people entitled to come and go on this Earth in the manner of their choosing?
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:53 pm to Manzielathon
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Since when are people entitled to come and go on this Earth in the manner of their choosing?
Say what?
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:54 pm to Rex
This thread is the OP's backhanded way of saying ACA is bad for the country, bad for the people and bad for his dear leader.
Just another democratic Political Goat Rodeo.
Just another democratic Political Goat Rodeo.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:56 pm to Rex
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Would you die without a health club membership?
Eventually, yes. Now if you asked the question you should have asked "would i die because i didnt have a health club membership ?" , the answer would be no. Are you telling me every person that cant get insurance because of a preexisting condition has a terminal condition ???
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:58 pm to Crow Pie
Why didn't out Little Rexy get health insurance when he was the hot shot CFO of this big company? If he had he wouldn't be begging for the US taxpayer to bail him out.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 3:00 pm to Rex
If you can't afford a service you can't afford it. Welcome to America. No where in the constitution does it entitle anyone to anything other than your basic rights. It certainly does not entitle people to services they can't afford. Literally billions of people have gotten ill before you, and will after you. Are they all entitled to the best care possible at the expense of others?
Posted on 7/27/14 at 3:01 pm to Rex
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You couldn't get coverage if you couldn't afford the premiums.
You can't buy a car if you can't make the payments.
Prior to Obamacare you could get health care if you were a million dollars in debt by going to the ER and making me pay for it. I'm opposed to that.
There was a time before medicare and medicaid. I remember it. It was called the 1950s. You went to Dr. Flory's office on East Main. The charge was usually about 10 bucks. If I got really sick at night my mom called Doc Flory on this really heavy dial phone. He came to our house at 8 pm with his black bag. He drove a really nice Buick.
He checked me out and said to my mom "He's gonna be OK. Give him these pills. Call me in the morning. BTW, I think your son is going to be a genius so take good care of him."
Posted on 7/27/14 at 3:07 pm to Gray Tiger
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Why didn't out Little Rexy get health insurance when he was the hot shot CFO of this big company?
I did.
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If he had he wouldn't be begging for the US taxpayer to bail him out.
I'm not. I've always been able to afford health insurance.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 3:15 pm to Manzielathon
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If you can't afford a service you can't afford it.
Can you personally afford a military? Protection against terrorists? Your own roads and bridges?
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Welcome to America.
Sadly, before Obamacare the health of Americans was treated with less respect and dignity than that in other developed countries. Welcome to the new America, where your health is a right rather than a privilege.
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