re: Why is so terrifying and horrible that people Trump knows talked to Russia?

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That's a false equivalence. There's bias everywhere, but in no way does the factual reporting of NYT or WaPo or CNN come anywhere close to InfoWars or Breitbart in terms of outright lies

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there's one born every minute. I thing you occupied an hours worth...

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Someday Roger will realize that you can't call yourself unbiased if you think one side is wrong in every conversation.

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Which side are you talking g about? Why do people have to be on a "side?"

I mean, I was all over Trump yesterday on here now I'm on his "side"

You people are weird.

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Right, we don't know the full story, which is EXACTLY why a real investigation needs to be done to find out one way or another. If Trump and his supporters have no fear of finding anything from an investigation, why are the Republicans hemming and hawing about doing one?

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Trust me, no Trump supporters fear an unbiased and independent investigation. Therein lies the problem.

The previous "investigation" by Brennan was a sham.

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factual reporting of NYT or WaPo or CNN

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All of their "factual reporting" is based on anonymous sources and innuendo.

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Publicly available information seems to indicate otherwise. 

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Publicly available information about Climate Change seems to indicate otherwise, but it doesn't make it true either.

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I'm not particularly concerned about this, but no, it doesn't.

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Walk us through how every story on this has been wrong using publicly available information.

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Why is so terrifying and horrible that people Trump knows talked to Russia?

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Because they were making political deals to remove sanctions which resulted from Russia's invasion of other countries in exchange for something. We want to know why the offer to lift sanctions was made and what is the consideration for such an offer.

Someone is dealing away America's strength in exchange for something. What is it?

Because an administration that is in bed with Russia isn't in America's best interests. We have never witnessed an administration with more ties to Russia than Trump

thanks to mmcgrath, for bringing adult conversation to the forum.

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Legitimate question?

What's so bad about that?

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I'm assuming you know the answer to this and are just playing games here. But if you really don't know, I'll try to put it in super simple terms. It's not necessarily a bad thing that his aides were in "constant" contact with Russian intelligence people. The NYT article itself mentions that, technically, there is nothing nefarious about an incoming Presidential transition team having contact with foreign governments.

However, the volume of calls, the Flynn issues on sanctions, the bizarre and consistent pro-Putin/Russia policy form Trump for almost 2 years now, the connections of so many of his associates (Carter Page, Manafort, Flynn and maybe even Sessions) to the Kremlin, the "unconfirmed" info in the Steele dossier, and Trump's refusal to produce his tax returns all suggest something nefarious.

Whether he is actually being blackmailed by Russian intelligence or he just has some unsavory financial commitments in Russia, it's all speculative at this point. But there is more than enough evidence that something is not right here. And every adult on the board knows it regardless of whether their team sports political fandom allows them to admit it.

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That isn't going to happen, but I can point you in the right direction.

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I trust you can understand my skepticism when presented with counterfactual information that is secret and unrevealable, given that the public information points toward Russian involvement.