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Posted on 8/6/22 at 3:53 pm to Revelator
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Surely, If one believes God to be all powerful and all knowing, he would also believe God was capable of making his absolute truth known to men ?
I think that, from a Christian standpoint, God did this when he sent his son to die and raised from the dead fulfilling numerous prophecies about just such a thing.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 3:55 pm to RandySavage
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If you didn't think they were right they wouldn't be your views.
There are people that know what they believe to be a lie, yet still hold on to that view. Example, women who know intellectually and instinctively that a fetus inside a woman is a person, yet they deny it for ulterior motives.
This post was edited on 8/6/22 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 8/6/22 at 3:56 pm to Revelator
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No matter if we are talking about our views on politics, religion, morals, ethics, science, etc. we somehow feel we are right about the views we hold on all of these?
It doesn’t matter if many hold contrary views, we still think ours are right. This is particularly puzzling if we come from a position of no moral absolutes. Everyone can’t be right.
Many conservative positions are supported by logic, reason, history, and the foundation of this country. Some of the more recent "conservative" positions are not.
Maybe that means nothing to my opponents, but frick them, they're wrong.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 3:57 pm to Revelator
Past experiences and stories shape my morality. I just try to keep a congenial disposition with an edge and some goals.
Hasn’t failed me yet.
Hasn’t failed me yet.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 3:57 pm to the808bass
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transphobia and homophobia
These are complete misnomers. No one is afraid of these people, just realize they are mentally ill and shouldn’t be around children.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 3:58 pm to Revelator
Well our immorality can certainly supersede our beliefs and convictions from time to time.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 4:08 pm to Revelator
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It doesn’t matter if many hold contrary views, we still think ours are right. This is particularly puzzling if we come from a position of no moral absolutes. Everyone can’t be right.
YOU, sir, are absolutely RIGHT. There can be no compromise over Truth. And it is an ALL or NOTHING connected thread. What is especially puzzling" are so-called Christians who support "Choice", aka Abortion.
God's Way is the ONLY way. Man's Way allows for great leeway on moral absolutes. It's "Consensus" is worthless.
Moral relativity / No Absolutes of "Right/Wrong" is straddling the morals/ethics fence that leads to confusion, deception, delusion. We see it every day from our leaders -- and now, especially from Church Leaders and Elders who lack conviction and are rather all too eager to compromise on morals and God's Law.
“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it." ~ Matthew 7:13
Posted on 8/6/22 at 4:11 pm to Liberator
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We see it every day from our leaders -- and now, especially from Church Leaders and Elders who lack conviction and are rather all too eager to compromise on morals and God's Law.
Truth.
Jesus was more critical of the religious hypocrites than he was the common sinner.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 4:14 pm to Revelator
We don't believe things that we think are wrong.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 4:16 pm to sta4ever
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How are you so sure that your way is the right way?
That's just it; You can't know for sure if you rely on your own innate direction or "feeling".
The *only* way we can be sure that we are being guided righteously is to pray for guidance from Jesus Christ / The Holy Spirit to fill our heart and spirit and let Him "take the wheel".
He's written The Law upon our heart, but we often ignore it and go at it our own way. I'm not ashamed to admit I've done just this more times than not -- and paid dearly for it. I still go rogue too often. And pray to be corrected and humbled.
But...better late than never -- and that's all that matters, friends.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 4:20 pm to Liberator
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The *only* way we can be sure that we are being guided righteously is to pray for guidance from Jesus Christ / The Holy Spirit to fill our heart and spirit and let Him "take the wheel".
“There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death
This post was edited on 8/6/22 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 8/6/22 at 4:26 pm to Revelator
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Everyone can’t be right.
There is no such thing as right or wrong. There are those with power and those without. Period.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 4:28 pm to Revelator
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If one believes God to be all powerful and all knowing,
'believe =/= know'. If you believe in God that is faith. I do not believe I have a dog. I know I have a dog. You do not know God exists. No one does. You have faith that God exists.
I am not an atheist. I do not deny the existence of God. I simply don't know.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 4:35 pm to JayDeerTay84
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There is no such thing as right or wrong.
So why do we have any laws at all?
Posted on 8/6/22 at 4:39 pm to Revelator
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So why do we have any laws at all?
SO you think laws are about right and wrong?
No, laws are about control.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 4:43 pm to Revelator
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I’ve never met a Calvinist who doesn’t think he is one of the elect.
One of the differences in tenets is, Calvinism says God's grace is irresistible, while Arminianism argues that it can be resisted.
Calvinism: Once Saved ALWAYS Saved.
Arminianism: You *can* lose Salvation
I'd long considered Calvinism "unfair". And considered Salvation something that *could* be lost. If you've ever listened to Dave Hunt, he's made a compelling case for exactly that.
But then it's all context. On the otherhand if one was always one of "The Elect", they weren't ever going to lose their Salvation. (Yes, it can be abstract).
Yet IF there IS a Doctrine of "God's Elect" -- and according to Scripture there *is* -- who are we to challenge and question The Almighty on "Fairness", His Reason, and His Will?
I hadn't heard about the Doctrine of the Elect / or those "Pre-Destined" to be "Saved" from any Church or Bible Teacher; or that it is NOT Christians who call upon God to hear *us* -- rather it is the other way around. HE calls upon *us*. "The Elect" hear the Lord's Voice.
(and no, the DoE doesn't limit those who are "Saved" or prevent them from Salvation.)
For those interested in understanding the Doctrine of Election -- and so forth -- Pastor John MacArthur (talk about a strong, non-compromising Christian Leader, focused only on Truth -- who NEVER backs down), he preaches a whole series that is an essential listen, focusing on Scriptural support ONLY.
Part 1:
John macarthur - Doctrine of Election part 1
Posted on 8/6/22 at 4:48 pm to Zach
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I am not an atheist. I do not deny the existence of God. I simply don't know.
You sound like an agnostic
Posted on 8/6/22 at 4:49 pm to JayDeerTay84
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SO you think laws are about right and wrong? No, laws are about control.
So you have no intrinsic idea of what is right or wrong except what your were taught or learned?
This post was edited on 8/6/22 at 4:51 pm
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