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re: why hasn't someone brought a lawsuit to make HCQ available based on the "Right to Try" law
Posted on 7/27/20 at 9:24 pm to Hopeful Doc
Posted on 7/27/20 at 9:24 pm to Hopeful Doc
Chain pharmacies near me were refusing to fill hcq without a dx code or from a rheumatologist
This post was edited on 7/27/20 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 7/27/20 at 9:25 pm to Hopeful Doc
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For what it's worth, most pharmacists have doctorates and 4 year educations.
Most physicians have an MD. Many have a DO. Very few that practice clinical medicine have PhD.
Be that as it may, I want my doctor prescribing my medications not Dottie at Publix
Posted on 7/27/20 at 9:28 pm to Tiguar
That’s bc the board of pharmacy had an emergent order to stop it’s use off label bc people who needed it for whatever rheum disorder they were taking before the pandemic, couldn’t get it bc of supply. Doctors were prescribing it without any evidence of its efficacy in covid-19.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 9:30 pm to dcbl
It’s not an antibiotic or an antiviral. It’s a anti parasitic. It’s a malaria med that appears to treat COVID pretty damn good if administered early enough.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 9:31 pm to More&Les
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Florida Doctor Says Pharmacy Refused to Fill Prescription for COVID-19 Patient
Dr. Speros Hampilos said the patient called him and said the CVS Pharmacy located in St. Petersburg would not fill the prescription for hydroxychloroquine
I didn't say "no pharmacy in the US refuses to fill it."
I did suggest the risk of not being able to find a pharmacy to fill it is overblown.
I maintain that viewpoint.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 9:32 pm to dcbl
Try to find anything positive about this drug in regards to covid on the internet. You have to dig. They don’t want us to know.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 9:34 pm to Tiguar
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Chain pharmacies near me were refusing to fill hcq without a dx code or from a rheumatologist
I guess I'm lucky to have several medium sized private pharmacies in town. It's been zero of an issue since supply went up about 2 weeks after the shutdown started. And even then it was only truly a lack of supply issue for us. No refusals.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 9:41 pm to lsufball19
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Because it’s a prescription drug. If people want to try it then I’m all for it, but people shouldn’t be able to buy prescription antibiotics OTC without a prescription
antibiotics?
Posted on 7/27/20 at 9:44 pm to More&Les
"stop allowing fricking pharmacists with 3 weeks of traing to overrule phd physicians "
First off, Pharmacist do not overrule Physicians. We are obligated to verify the validity of all prescriptions. Given a valid prescription for HCG, I am sure the vast majority of Pharmacist would fill that prescription without hesitation.
Secondly, Pharmacist do not decide whether a medication is OTC or prescription. That is out of our hand. Currently, HCQ is a legend drug and thus can only be prescribed pursuant to a valid prescription.
Finally, the only thing preventing people from getting HCQ for COVID would be the prescribers. Physicians are allowed to prescribe medications off label as they see fit. Apparently, the medical community does not value the data on HCQ as much as some on this board do.
But rest assure, Pharmacist are not the impediment to HCQ therapy.
First off, Pharmacist do not overrule Physicians. We are obligated to verify the validity of all prescriptions. Given a valid prescription for HCG, I am sure the vast majority of Pharmacist would fill that prescription without hesitation.
Secondly, Pharmacist do not decide whether a medication is OTC or prescription. That is out of our hand. Currently, HCQ is a legend drug and thus can only be prescribed pursuant to a valid prescription.
Finally, the only thing preventing people from getting HCQ for COVID would be the prescribers. Physicians are allowed to prescribe medications off label as they see fit. Apparently, the medical community does not value the data on HCQ as much as some on this board do.
But rest assure, Pharmacist are not the impediment to HCQ therapy.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 9:44 pm to Hopeful Doc
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And many of those physicians that I know have seen enough patients get worse on the cocktail that is so widely pushed that they doubt it's effectiveness. I haven't had a single pharmacist refuse to prescribe it. If I did, I would send it to another pharmacy. It would be a 30 minute delay in care on a bad day.
What kind of doctors are you referring to? I ask because of the press conference today of doctors pushing HCQ.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 9:45 pm to BOSCEAUX
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It’s not an antibiotic or an antiviral. It’s a anti parasitic. It’s a malaria med that appears to treat COVID pretty damn good if administered early enough.
HCQ works as an ionophore. So you need to be nutritionally dosed with your RDA of zinc. The zinc ion interrupts RNA polymerase in the epithelial cells keeping the virus from replicating. Other ionophores could also work and this not only slows the coronavirus it slows down other viruses that require RNA polymerase to replicate.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 9:46 pm to moneyg
News flash: Reasonable doctors can disagree about the best course of treatment.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:06 pm to moneyg
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What kind of doctors are you referring to?
IM, FM, med/peds, renal, EM, and pulm/crit. Mostly self-employed, independent folks. Range of experience is from fresh out of residency to 35ish years.
I watched part of the video today. The Houston, TX doctor touting how absolutely every patient she had lived and that the death rate could be zero was a bit too sensational to believe as I and many others near me have a different experience.
I tend to get told I'm negative on here quite a bit, but the reality is that it's going to kill a lot of people. Nothing would prevent many of the deaths. The early guidance on treating these people was truly awful (excessive volume resuscitation, early intubation, avoidance of NIPPV...), but the fact has remained from the beginning that the vast majority of these people are going to get better, and that has not been questioned for a few months now. The real questions have become
1) how do we identify those who are going to do poorly?
2) what percentage of people are going to do poorly?
3) how do you measure early intervention in a disease where most would get better with no real help from a doctor/nurse/etc accurately without the first 2 questions answered.
The risk of confirmation bias with this therapy remains very high and, unfortunately, fairly political. It is a very interesting time to be in medicine.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:10 pm to dcbl
I’d be thrilled for my primary Doc to be able to prescribe it.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 11:26 pm to BOSCEAUX
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appears to treat COVID pretty damn good if administered early enough.
Like other disease treatments.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 11:58 pm to dcbl
It is available.
I have a co-worker taking it right now for the RONA.
There are plenty of physicians who are prescribing it.
I have a co-worker taking it right now for the RONA.
There are plenty of physicians who are prescribing it.
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