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re: Why don't republicans focus on making college and health care cheaper for everyone
Posted on 6/30/23 at 9:17 pm to bobBoxer
Posted on 6/30/23 at 9:17 pm to bobBoxer
The message for young men not in high paying STEM type fields is to learn a trade. That can be done in an apprenticeship, ABC type program, or a 2 year community/technical college program. Don’t waste your money/time in an expensive prestigious college for a social science or humanities degree. Of course there are some exceptions, but not many.
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Posted on 6/30/23 at 9:32 pm to bobBoxer
And instead of wasting so much energy drawing maps that they can’t use…maybe actually appeal to the sensibilities of African Americans to get votes?
Posted on 6/30/23 at 9:56 pm to bobBoxer
Market determines price.
How about parents tell their children not to study sociology, psychology, gender studies, and all the other bullshite majors and study subjects like accounting, finance, economics, engineering, nursing, etc. You know, majors that result in someone paying a living wage with growth potential for 40 hours a week.
I asked my future father in law why his son was getting an mba from university of Pittsburgh and living at home. Oldest kid. I’ll never forget what he said. He didn’t say anything about his major, which was sociology. He graduated, didn’t get a job. Got an mba. Accounting focus. Had a great career.
My kids, same discussion. All married. Grandkids. Paying taxes to support half the country who don’t.
How about parents tell their children not to study sociology, psychology, gender studies, and all the other bullshite majors and study subjects like accounting, finance, economics, engineering, nursing, etc. You know, majors that result in someone paying a living wage with growth potential for 40 hours a week.
I asked my future father in law why his son was getting an mba from university of Pittsburgh and living at home. Oldest kid. I’ll never forget what he said. He didn’t say anything about his major, which was sociology. He graduated, didn’t get a job. Got an mba. Accounting focus. Had a great career.
My kids, same discussion. All married. Grandkids. Paying taxes to support half the country who don’t.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 10:24 pm to bobBoxer
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Why don't republicans focus on making college and health care cheaper for everyone
Because it's not their job.
And when government gets involved there are always unintended consequences; the reason college and health care are as expensive as they are is that government got too involved decades ago and it keeps fooling around with it.
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 10:30 pm to kingbob
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The status quo doesn’t work for most people
bullshite.
By most classifications 50% of the population is middle class in America. Another 14% is considered "upper-middle class" and 2% is considered upper class.
It works for two thirds of the country.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 10:34 pm to bobBoxer
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cut funding to the colleges
What?
Ask any liberal who wants to try to avoid admitting that federally backed student loans are the biggest reason college is out of sight already and they will tell you that the reason why college is so expensive is because they've already had their funding cut by more than 16% from 2009 to 2017.
How is cutting funding supposed to reduce costs? I don't even understand that on a theoretical level.
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 10:45 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 10:39 pm to bobBoxer
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then how do we bring cost down for everyone,
You do it in health care by going to a system in which health insurance is a true insurance rather than a co-op. In other words, insurance would only be for catastrophic situations. Routine care would be cash. At that point you would see prices drop like a rock.
You do it in college by stopping government guaranteed student loans.
Neither of those are difficult concepts.
The problem is that people like yourself (and I don't mean anything pejorative by that, I just mean people who are only casually interested in politics) aren't really interested in solutions that would work because they would leave poor people out.
And they would.
But you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you design a system to include people who are not paying their own way, it's going to be more expensive for everyone. There's no way around it.
You get government involved and it's going to be WAY more expensive.
Can you name one thing that government has ever gotten involved in to any significant degree that got less expensive without quality suffering? I can't.
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 10:44 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 10:40 pm to wackatimesthree
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Why don't republicans focus on making college and health care cheaper for everyone
Because it's not their job.
It's not the republicans job to see if they can lower cost for citizens of the country they are supposed to be serving?
If republicans keep this attitude you will never see another one elected president for a long time
Posted on 6/30/23 at 10:45 pm to wackatimesthree
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Ask any liberal who wants to try to avoid admitting that federally backed student loans are the biggest reason college is out of sight already and they will tell you that the reason why college is so expensive is because they've already had their funding cut by more than 16% from 2009 to 2017.
Then what's your plan to lower cost?
Posted on 6/30/23 at 10:45 pm to bobBoxer
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It's not the republicans job to see if they can lower cost for citizens of the country they are supposed to be serving?
No.
Why would it be?
What do you think they are elected to do, exactly?
Posted on 6/30/23 at 10:46 pm to bobBoxer
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Then what's your plan to lower cost?
See above.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 10:48 pm to bobBoxer
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If republicans keep this attitude you will never see another one elected president for a long time
We may have already seen the last one ever.
The difference between us is that you think that's because of Republican's "attitudes."
I think it's because of people like yourself and your attitudes.
People who think it's a political party's job to lower consumer prices.
There's a difference between refraining from doing things to artificially aggravate prices and doing something to lower them. The former should go without saying. the latter is a recipe for disaster.
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 10:49 pm to wackatimesthree
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bullshite.
By most classifications 50% of the population is middle class in America. Another 14% is considered "upper-middle class" and 2% is considered upper class.
It works for two thirds of the country.
Half the population doesn't even pay taxes, but you think 66% is middle class or above, that's hilarious
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 10:52 pm to wackatimesthree
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quote:
It's not the republicans job to see if they can lower cost for citizens of the country they are supposed to be serving?
No.
Why would it be?
What do you think they are elected to do, exactly?
This attitude is how you get joe Biden again, Dems gonna run laps around repubs, and ain't it got nothing to do with cheating, but people with attitudes like yours
Posted on 6/30/23 at 10:55 pm to wackatimesthree
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People who think it's a political party's job to lower consumer prices.
Equating health care and education with "consumer prices", hilarious
Posted on 6/30/23 at 10:55 pm to bobBoxer
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Half the population doesn't even pay taxes, but you think is 64% is middle class or above, that's hilarious
Can you quote the part where I said "I think?"
That 50% number came from the 2021 Census Bureau. the 14% and 2% number came from U.S. News and World Report, which they sourced from Gallup.
Unlike you, I don't just pull stuff out of my arse.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 10:58 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:no but they probably did
That 50% number came from the 2021 Census Bureau. the 14% and 2% number came from U.S. News and World Report, which they sourced from Gallup.
Unlike you, I don't just pull stuff out of my arse.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 11:00 pm to bobBoxer
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Equating health care and education with "consumer prices", hilarious
O.k., I was being polite until you realized you were in over your head and started with the ad homs and appeals to ridicule in desperation.
When doctors and professors start working for free and don't have to be paid any more, then you can call those prices whatever you want to call them. Until then, yeah, those organizations have expenses and customers who pay for those expenses just like anything else.
Good night, moron. And good luck finding a government official who can "lower costs" in some magical way.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 11:05 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:nobody said they had to work for free but ok
When doctors and professors start working for free and don't have to be paid any more, then you can call those prices whatever you want to call them. Until then, yeah, those organizations have expenses and customers who pay for those expenses just like anything else.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 11:05 pm to bobBoxer
The system is broken. This is late game capitalism. Global companies have dumped so much money into our government that they have the votes to do anything. We are all breaking our backs to pay got damn mandatory insurance car and health . When is the last time they passed anything that helped the middle class ?
The older I get the more fragile I see our way of life. Federal debt that will never be paid. It’s destined to fail at some point . It’s a house of cards.
The older I get the more fragile I see our way of life. Federal debt that will never be paid. It’s destined to fail at some point . It’s a house of cards.
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