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re: Why do you think the government declares wars on various societal ills but the war on guns
Posted on 3/20/25 at 6:30 pm to prplngldtigr
Posted on 3/20/25 at 6:30 pm to prplngldtigr
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Gun violence is only high in very specific segments of society. Very specific demographics.
Until you take single shooter mass casualty events into consideration.
Gun violence is concentrated in poor black areas. People seem to prefer to focus on the race aspect rather than the poverty aspect though
This post was edited on 3/20/25 at 6:31 pm
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Posted on 3/20/25 at 6:32 pm to UtahCajun
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when war kinda implies gun violence.
Touché.
Posted on 3/20/25 at 6:33 pm to 4cubbies
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Until you take single shooter mass casualty events into consideration
Right.
Then it’s the trans demographic.
Posted on 3/20/25 at 6:34 pm to prplngldtigr
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Then it’s the trans demographic.
The common denominator there seems to be mental illness.
Posted on 3/20/25 at 6:35 pm to 4cubbies
quote:The war should be against judges and DA's who release an arrest for illegal gun possession, agrivated assault with a gun before the ink dries on the arrest document. Legal gun owners are the ones committing the crimes. Focus on the problem not the poor victim criminal that had no daddy growing up.
Why do you think the government declares wars on various societal ills but the war on guns
Posted on 3/20/25 at 6:36 pm to beaux duke
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are you contending that all or most of these guns were illegally owned?
Did you read any of those?
54 reports from the 19th...one actually a stabbing (no gun)...one a police shooting (pretty sure that one's legal)...and a bunch of gas station/dark alley/abandoned buildings and murder/suicide/domestic violence.
I'll give you a few legal guns in the murder/suicide/DV category...
But yes...the majority of those shootings were done by people who did not legally own them.
Posted on 3/20/25 at 6:42 pm to 4cubbies
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The common denominator there seems to be mental illness.
Don’t disagree at all.
Posted on 3/20/25 at 6:43 pm to prplngldtigr
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Ahhhhhh they kinda are. Gun violence is only high in very specific segments of society. Very specific demographics. If you waged war on “guns” you’d have to go after the parts of society that are the worse offenders. The US has a gun related violence rate similar to Belgium if you take away minorities.
Literally nothing you said supported guns being a societal ill. If anything the rest of your post refuted the first sentence.
Posted on 3/20/25 at 6:49 pm to DMAN1968
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But yes...the majority of those shootings were done by people who did not legally own them.
feel free to post evidence that most shootings are attributed to illegal gun owners
Posted on 3/20/25 at 6:52 pm to 4cubbies
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Until you take single shooter mass casualty events into consideration.
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Mother Jones, a left-leaning news outlet, keeps an open-source database of mass shootings. Since 2013, Mother Jones has tracked any incident with at least three victims. (The outlet used a different methodology before 2013.) It excludes armed robbery or gang violence shootings and other incidents “stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes.” Its database has counted three mass shootings in 2023.
You must use the same methodology.
Posted on 3/20/25 at 6:53 pm to DMAN1968
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You must use the same methodology.
You are 100% free to believe that black people are the only people who commit crimes with guns.
Posted on 3/20/25 at 6:54 pm to St Augustine
How do you define society?
Society is made up of demographics with either similar or dissimilar beliefs.
Society is the sum of its people vs established expectations.
If a specific, identifiable segment of society is out of alignment with norms then that segment has a problem that needs solving. Similar to an illness in need of treatment.
Societal ill.
Society is made up of demographics with either similar or dissimilar beliefs.
Society is the sum of its people vs established expectations.
If a specific, identifiable segment of society is out of alignment with norms then that segment has a problem that needs solving. Similar to an illness in need of treatment.
Societal ill.
This post was edited on 3/20/25 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 3/20/25 at 6:55 pm to 4cubbies
I’m not playing mental gymnastics verse 4cucks.
Posted on 3/20/25 at 6:57 pm to prplngldtigr
Again that’s a lot of words to not support GUNS being a societal ill.
You’re again referring to a certain segment of society not guns.
You’re again referring to a certain segment of society not guns.
Posted on 3/20/25 at 6:58 pm to St Augustine
Guns are part of it though.
Posted on 3/20/25 at 7:01 pm to beaux duke
GROK says:
Minus suicides I'm sure.
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recent regional studies, like a 2016 University of Pittsburgh analysis of nearly 900 firearms recovered from crime scenes, found that a higher share—often over 60%—were not legally possessed by the perpetrators at the time of the crime. Experts like Dr. Daniel Webster from Johns Hopkins estimate that in states with stricter gun laws, up to 65% of guns used in crimes are illegally obtained, while in states with looser laws, the figure drops to around 40%. This suggests that, for everyday gun violence, illegal guns likely account for a majority—or at least a plurality—of incidents, though precise nationwide figures are hard to pin down due to limited current federal data.
Minus suicides I'm sure.
Posted on 3/20/25 at 7:02 pm to 4cubbies
Why not have a war on free speech? Wait they did that.
Posted on 3/20/25 at 7:03 pm to 4cubbies
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Gun violence is concentrated in poor black areas. People seem to prefer to focus on the race aspect rather than the poverty aspect though
It's always amusing when anti-gun zealots inadvertently stumble on the fact that gun control is racist and classist.
Posted on 3/20/25 at 7:03 pm to St Augustine
A certain segment of society’s interaction with guns differs from the rest of society’s interaction with guns.
A gun untouched isn’t an ill for any society or any segment of society.
If it’s the gun and the illness being synonymous then no.
A gun untouched isn’t an ill for any society or any segment of society.
If it’s the gun and the illness being synonymous then no.
Posted on 3/20/25 at 7:04 pm to 4cubbies
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You are 100% free to believe that black people are the only people who commit crimes with guns.
I don't believe they are the only ones...We know they are the majority.
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Gun violence in the U.S. disproportionately affects Black Americans, who account for 60% of firearm homicide victims despite being only 14% of the population. The rates of gun homicides have increased significantly among Black individuals, particularly among young Black men and women, highlighting ongoing racial disparities in gun violence.
Black people have more to fear from someone who looks like them than someone who looks like me...it's that simple.
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