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re: Why do you believe the intelligence community has been against Trump
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:26 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:26 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:You said "clean house." That implies fore everyone or most everyone.
Im of the opinion that we're not really losing any key capabilities.
quote:The real spooks are field collectors and case officers. What they do is largely useless to the development of a comprehensive intelligence picture without mountains of analysts behind them.
The real spooks
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:27 pm to Navytiger74
quote:Is he flailing? Seriously?
Maybe he should get his shite together. The whole country suffers when the president is flailing about.
Or are Obamacrats breaking and/or ignoring the law in an attempt to slow the train?
Because most evidence points to the latter at this stage.
For example, what was Brennan's impact as a partisan hack on CIA morale?
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:27 pm to Navytiger74
quote:Im sorry. I meant clean house of his political enemies.
You said "clean house." That implies fore everyone or most everyone.
quote:So says the analyst
The real spooks are field collectors and case officers. What they do is largely useless to the development of a comprehensive intelligence picture without mountains of analysts behind them.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:30 pm to NC_Tigah
If Brennan was a partisan hack he wouldn't have fought tooth and nail against the release of the Senate torture report
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:31 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:Ah. See in certain agencies that gets murky. Even the career seniors, who are not appointees, take a special interest in this country's direction.
Im sorry. I meant clean house of his political enemies.
quote:Nice.
So says the analyst
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:39 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:I mean I always reserve some room for rhetorical flair, but I don't think he's doing well. I read that little thread with people rating his first three weeks as 8-10 and saw that I was surrounded by unreasonable men on here, though.
Is he flailing? Seriously?
quote:Again, what kind of toddler thinks the IC is full of liberal partisans? State leans left, but even they have managed to work for and support an expected 4-8 year swing in parties in power. Hell that's been the rule throughout the professional careers of most people conceivably working in the federal government.
Or are Obamacrats breaking and/or ignoring the law in an attempt to slow the train?
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:42 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Look at the other thread dumbass.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:46 pm to tigerskin
I don't necessarily think they are. A lot of this is being blown way out of proportion or is pure speculation. That said, I do think that their are still many Dem loyalists in the IC and I do believe Obama had Trump watched throughout the campaign.
What Trump needs to do is start to flesh out the party loyalists from the IC and try to restore order asap.
What Trump needs to do is start to flesh out the party loyalists from the IC and try to restore order asap.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 4:01 pm to tigerskin
Because Trump has no tact. The man has come in like a bull in a china shop. I like the fact he owes no one in power anything, but he should have had a "quieter" approach to coming into office. Insulting and pissing people off left and right before taking the oath yet has gotten the old guard IC people pissed off. Now they want to fire shots back at him.
Going in there like Hitler through Europe opening up multiple fronts is stupid. Man's gonna have a heart attack with all this shite that's going down. Trump needs to reel it in and settle things down before things get too out of control. The man isn't even working with a full staff yet and he's got more on his plate than just about any new president in recent memory.
Going in there like Hitler through Europe opening up multiple fronts is stupid. Man's gonna have a heart attack with all this shite that's going down. Trump needs to reel it in and settle things down before things get too out of control. The man isn't even working with a full staff yet and he's got more on his plate than just about any new president in recent memory.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 4:24 pm to Navytiger74
quote:IMO the implication is we need to ferret out and identify sources of the leaked intel. We need to prosecute the SOBs to the fullest extent of the law. IC, Sally Yates, Robby Mook, whomever leaked classified material to the press. If it takes jailing reporters to unroof the shanker, so be it.
You said "clean house." That implies fore everyone or most everyone.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 2/15/17 at 4:32 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Now, I really believe that. Irrespective of administration. I believed it about Manning, Snowden, Assange, Greenwald, and every other frick who thought he got to decide what was and wasn't available to the public and foreign powers. I threw up in my mouth when that frick Pollard got released.
IMO the implication is we need to ferret out and identify sources of the leaked intel. We need to prosecute the SOBs to the fullest extent of the law. IC, Sally Yates, Robby Mook, whomever leaked classified material to the press. If it takes jailing reporters to unroof the shanker, so be it.
But you and people like you believe it selectively. It's really galling.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 2/15/17 at 4:34 pm to Navytiger74
Absolutionism is the crutch of the feeble minded
Posted on 2/15/17 at 4:36 pm to Tiguar
quote:Hypocrisy is the cornerstone of the unprincipled and spineless. Maybe you can impress me with some moral distinction between the Snowden leaks and the current leaks.
Absolutionism is the crutch of the feeble minded
Posted on 2/15/17 at 4:37 pm to Navytiger74
quote:The IC? No, no.
Or are Obamacrats breaking and/or ignoring the law in an attempt to slow the train?
Again, what kind of toddler thinks the IC is full of liberal partisans?
The reference was inclusive of the 3 9th circuit judges, Yates, Brennan, and pond scum like Adam Schiff who I'd place money is source of at least some of the leaks. As I've said previously, aside from a few political appointees like Brennan, it could well be all sourcing of leaks is from outside the IC.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 4:37 pm to Navytiger74
quote:
But you and people like you believe it selectively. It's really galling.
A case can be made for exposing plain as daylight criminal wrong doing that the state wants covered up.
A case cannot be made for political and character assassination by the state against other state actors and private citizens.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 4:39 pm to Navytiger74
Snowden leaked affronts against citizens otherwise defenseless and unawares.
These leaks are against government officials who need to maintain some level of nuance to do their jobs.
Snowden leaked actual honest to god constitutional infringements
PS. I just wanted to rile you up because I am bored at work and expected you to just say "frick you Tigger" or something
These leaks are against government officials who need to maintain some level of nuance to do their jobs.
Snowden leaked actual honest to god constitutional infringements
PS. I just wanted to rile you up because I am bored at work and expected you to just say "frick you Tigger" or something
Posted on 2/15/17 at 4:43 pm to Sentrius
quote:Unauthorized communications took place. As evidenced either by Flynn lying to his superiors because he had something to hide or by those superiors cutting him lose to stem the infection. Whether or not those communications were criminal remains to be seen. But it will be seen. And I can only assume you want "the people" to be kept in the loop about that.
A case can be made for exposing plain as daylight criminal wrong doing that the state wants covered up.
A case cannot be made for political and character assassination by the state against other state actors and private citizens.
And I hope the leakers who broke the law are prepared to argue their case of patriotic duty in court, because they should be brought to account.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 4:45 pm to Navytiger74
Hey, I don't believe it selectively either. ALL LEAKS MATTER.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 4:45 pm to Navytiger74
To me, the biggest distinction is did the leakers (in any leak scenario) go through the established, proper channels for correction prior to leaking?
If you know something is wrong and tell the people who can do something about it, and nothing happens, I think you have some sort of moral obligation to shed light.
I don't think we know enough about the current situation to make this judgement one way or the other, yet, but maybe I'm just not aware of some info.
If you know something is wrong and tell the people who can do something about it, and nothing happens, I think you have some sort of moral obligation to shed light.
I don't think we know enough about the current situation to make this judgement one way or the other, yet, but maybe I'm just not aware of some info.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 4:46 pm to Tiguar
quote:
Snowden leaked actual honest to god constitutional infringements
Is that all he leaked? Only domestic programs? You sure?
quote:Is clandestine, potential collusion by a senior figure in National Security with a generally hostile foreign power beyond the interest of the defenseless and unaware people?
Snowden leaked affronts against citizens otherwise defenseless and unawares.
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