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re: Why do they call it transphobic?

Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:36 am to
Posted by Ricardo
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:36 am to
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But people who are really gay/trans (and I get that there's way more Gen-Zers responding to a social contagion than there are really gay/trans people) do not have a choice about how they feel on the inside.


This is such a silly notion. How does a person of the opposite gender know what it feels like to be of their preferred gender? They don't. It's impossible. It's like saying that you know what it feels like to be born as Napolean or Jesus Christ.

These people are not well. They would have been properly identified years ago as suffering from dysphoria. It's no different than someone suffering from anorexia. I'm not arguing that they "feel" a certain way, but those feelings are not aligned with reality and harmful to their psychic apparatus (as Freud would say.)

At best they would simply be called an effeminate male or a masculine female. At worst they would be suffering from delusions and on the spectrum of schizophrenia.
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 6:38 am
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:37 am to
Stupidity
Posted by TigerVespamon
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:44 am to
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we are, transhaters, or transmockers
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6-- the Brazos River Valley
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:44 am to
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call it transphobic

There's are palpable qualms about the transsexual transformation of America. Even at the southern border prospective new immigrants are asked by agents what pronouns they prefer to use.

So there's a real fear of radical change throughout the land. Transphobia is a thing
Posted by JumpingTheShark
America
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 7:01 am to
If transphobic is a term that is attributed to being anti trans then consider me staunchly transphobic.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 7:11 am to
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These people are not well.


Exactly.

That's why it's not "silly" at all.

Mental illness (which people do not have a choice about) exists, and sometimes it causes people to feel in ways that do not correspond to reality.
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 7:14 am
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 7:19 am to
True

I just find them silly, worthless and demented. There's no fear involved.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 7:25 am to
The silliness is in the labeling.

The trans community doesn't want to be labeled as suffering from mental illness. They want to be affirmed.

The issue is that a lot of well-intentioned (perhaps?) people are doing just that. They are rewriting the book on mental illness as related to body dysmorphic disorder, dysphoria, etc. The idea is that it's their "normal."

This is akin to asking a schizophrenic person their preferred delusion of choice and affirming it. The mirror talks to you? Yes, yes of course. It has a name? Thank you. What is it? Lady, Scottsdale.

You can see how this leads to very silly interactions. The patients are literally running the asylum.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 7:37 am to
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The silliness is in the labeling.

The trans community doesn't want to be labeled as suffering from mental illness. They want to be affirmed.

The issue is that a lot of well-intentioned (perhaps?) people are doing just that. They are rewriting the book on mental illness as related to body dysmorphic disorder, dysphoria, etc. The idea is that it's their "normal."

This is akin to asking a schizophrenic person their preferred delusion of choice and affirming it. The mirror talks to you? Yes, yes of course. It has a name? Thank you. What is it? Lady, Scottsdale.

You can see how this leads to very silly interactions. The patients are literally running the asylum.


I agree with all of that.

Where I tend to disagree is that I think that most instances of homosexuality are also abnormal. Maybe "mental illness" is too strong a classification for being gay, but I don't think it's normal.

Things that trend toward abnormal behavior tend to be things that people are compelled to do for one reason or another IME.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 7:54 am to
Deviancy gets a bad reputation for a good reason. Straying from the norm tends to isolate and exclude. The extremes are people like hermits that eschew all human contact and the flamboyant person that can't get enough attention.

One side is never bored within their own mind space. The other would be bored while being bombarded with stimulation. We tend to focus on the overstimulated brains, because they are the ones constantly craving attention/affirmation.

I would posit that a great deal of the psychological damage is caused by something as simple as overexposure to damaging messaging. They are not "born this way." They are brainwashed at malleable ages. You don't need to be a scientist to understand what is going on in social media. It is a poison to the underdeveloped mind.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 8:04 am to
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They are not "born this way." They are brainwashed at malleable ages. You don't need to be a scientist to understand what is going on in social media. It is a poison to the underdeveloped mind.


I don't mean to burst that bubble, but there were gay people before social media existed. Or the internet. Or t.v. Or the radio. Or movies. Or anything that could reasonably be accused of "brainwashing" people.

For most of human history being homosexual was not lauded by society (I know in certain times and places it was—specifically toward the decline and destruction of a civilization, but this represents the minority of history), yet it has always existed.

LGBTQ activists claim that means it's normal and healthy. I think that's nonsense. Alcoholism and pedophilia have also always existed and they are clearly not normal or healthy.

However, it IS strong evidence that people ARE generally compelled to have those same sex attractions just like the pedophile is attracted to children. I don't think either one is a choice, and I don't think either one is normal, and I don't think either one is to be encouraged or indulged.

I guess you think pedophiles are also brainwashed and "not born that way?" If not, why not?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 8:05 am to
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I don't mean to burst that bubble, but there were gay people before social media existed. Or the internet. Or t.v. Or the radio. Or movies. Or anything that could reasonably be accused of "brainwashing" people.


About 1/2 of 1%

The current gender fad is just that, a fad.

Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
5759 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 8:15 am to
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I don't mean to burst that bubble, but there were gay people before social media existed.


Clearly. But I wouldn't be so quick to suggest that people weren't being brainwashed before mass media. The effects of grooming are as old as time itself as well. Child abuse frequently leads to sexual deviancy. Social media is just a socially accepted form of child abuse.

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I guess you think pedophiles are also brainwashed and "not born that way?" If not, why not?


Again. There's definitely things that make a person more susceptible to programming than others.

Dig into a child abusers history and you will see that they were abused as children as well. Does that make it "okay"? No. But it does shed light as to where these predilections come from.
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 8:19 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 8:16 am to
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Social media is just a socially accepted form of child abuse.



Unabated, absolutely.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
8222 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 8:21 am to
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I don't mean to burst that bubble, but there were gay people before social media existed.


Clearly. But I wouldn't be so quick to suggest that people weren't being brainwashed before mass media. The effects of grooming are as old as time itself as well. Child abuse frequently leads to sexual deviancy. Social media is just a socially accepted form of child abuse.

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I guess you think pedophiles are also brainwashed and "not born that way?" If not, why not?


Again. There's definitely things that make a person more susceptible to programming than others.

Dig into a child abusers history and you will see that they were abused as children as well. Does that make it "okay"? No. But it does shed light as to where these predilections come from.


O.k.

I mostly disagree (which is to say that I think people can end up with a distorted sexuality because of abuse, but I think the notion that it doesn't happen any other way is asinine), but again, it doesn't really matter to me and I remain puzzled as to why people think it is such an important distinction.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 8:23 am to
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but I think the notion that it doesn't happen any other way is asinine


I'm not saying there aren't outliers of people born with some genetic deformities. They are, however, the exception to the rule and do not account for the staggering rise in trans identity or gay tendencies. There is something else causing this mass psychosis.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 8:24 am to
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There is something else causing this mass psychosis.


Social media plus planned detachment from social norms.
Posted by SantaFe
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 8:26 am to
Back when I taught high school the boys in some of my classes became offended and grossed out by the several males in the school that were outwardly gay. We discussed it at the end of class ,I reassured them that they did not have to be concerned about those guys. I told them don't worry about those gay guys , it just means we have more women for us to date. They liked that idea.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
5759 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 8:28 am to
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Social media plus planned detachment from social norms.


Single parent homes, secular education, feminism, dietary changes, as well.

There's no telling how many unintended (or intended) changes to the social norms that are affecting the development of humans and human behavior.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
8222 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 8:33 am to
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About 1/2 of 1%


Nah. The numbers that seem the most accurate to me historically are the 1%-2% figure.

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The current gender fad is just that, a fad.


Yeah, that's fine, but I said gay, not trans.
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